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How to make a Howdah handgun
      #334835 - 25/11/19 09:28 PM

"How to make a Howdah handgun."

Suggestions, ideas, what people have done.

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: NitroX]
      #334837 - 25/11/19 09:41 PM

I believe the BGRC Howdah's competition allows or has separate categories for smooth bore and rifled howdahs. Maybe breech and muzzle loading?

I imagine some guys have made up shortened shotguns as a howdah.

Minimum calibre is .38. Perhaps the maximum calibe as well? Seeing .38 is often the maximum calibre size legally anyway. Bit of a letdown for a howdah though.

I wonder if a cutdown 12 gauge is legal in Australia? Anyone doing it? BTW does anyone actually shoot the BGRC Howdah competition? In SA I know the police claim greater than .38 is only justified for knocking down metal silhouette. Perhaps a full sized silhouette could be used?!

Interested in answers to the above. Plus any comments, plans, ideas you have for or on howdahs. Or what you have actually bought or done or used.

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: NitroX]
      #334851 - 26/11/19 05:06 AM

12 bore muzzleloading SxS set of barrels would work into a pistol and that would be doable/legal here, at this time, if registered as a handgun (restricted firearm).

I would think that a 12 bore ctg. gun might not be quite legal - be classified as a cut-off shotgun, even if pistol gripped, due to readily available ammunition.

A set-back handle would allow the "long-arm" locks, and yet still have the pistol grip. Would look "off" though.

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #334922 - 28/11/19 02:31 AM

check this out!?,,,,,different,,, to say the least!
https://americanguncraft.com/products/

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: Longknife]
      #334923 - 28/11/19 02:49 AM

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check this out!?,,,,,different,,, to say the least!
https://americanguncraft.com/products/




Those look horrible.


Pedersoli has the cartridge SxS handgun in 45 Colt / 410 shotshell.

https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda-...oli-howdah.html

This chamber is a great opportunity to use different brass and Colt diameter bullets with huge powder loads if you dare.

I've had over 60 grains 3031 and 300 grain bullets in a similar chamber, but in a much lighter single barreled handgun.
That's right up there in "stomp the shit out of them" performance.

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: tinker]
      #334925 - 28/11/19 03:32 AM

Those Muzzleloades do look awful, as-do the Pedersoli's to my eye - about the same with their ML as their .45/410.
On the ML's, it's to use improper locks and on Ped.'s ctg. gun, it's the same stock pretty much, lengthened instead of inlet for the lock.

This one, is as they should be.







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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #334926 - 28/11/19 03:43 AM

Nice Daryl. The one listed before not so nice Longknife. (gets my vote for ugliest gun of the year).

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: Wayne59]
      #334931 - 28/11/19 04:34 AM

Daryl I agree with you on the Pedersoli architecture issues, and yes that Purdey is lovely.
I have those images of that pistol saved in many places.
It's a honey.

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: tinker]
      #334933 - 28/11/19 09:44 AM

The Pedersoli model you showed is indeed somewhat lacking in aesthetics. However they do make a much nicer model called the Howdah Hunter.
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/tipologia-prodotti.asp/l_en/idt_29/pistols-howdah-hunter.html



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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: Hunter4752001]
      #334934 - 28/11/19 11:13 AM

The cartridge model needs an extensive facelift

I have one of the percussion 16b SxS models
It prints ball side by side, right next to each other very nicely with big charges of black powder

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: tinker]
      #334947 - 28/11/19 07:46 PM

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The cartridge model needs an extensive facelift

I have one of the percussion 16b SxS models
It prints ball side by side, right next to each other very nicely with big charges of black powder




The Cartridge Gun shouldn't be a Howdah but would make a darn nice little rifle with a 18-22in barrel & a butt stock !

I used some 30 Blaser cases blown out straight & long loaded in my H&R 45Colt/410, would match a 45/70 even shot 454 Casull in it mild as !

Was a lot more accurate loaded that way to !

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: Sarg]
      #334963 - 29/11/19 05:41 AM

I agree that the Ped. percussion SxS is considerably "better" than the ctg. version.

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #335131 - 04/12/19 01:01 PM

i was thinking pre 98 12ga. rabbit ears cut to 8 inch8"44magnum inserts ream them to 444 and run blackpowder.silver solder them in make a new extractor done.would have the nice damascus tiger strip. had a donor gregory side lever i bought for 100 bucks fixed the lock in ten mins. but its a nice old shooter and can't bring myself to cut it.

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: ducmarc]
      #335137 - 04/12/19 02:31 PM

I built this 16 Bore Over/Under for a customer a few years ago. Click on this link to go to the 16 Bore album.

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: CowboyCS]
      #335143 - 04/12/19 07:29 PM

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I built this 16 Bore Over/Under for a customer a few years ago. Click on this link to go to the 16 Bore album.




Well done Colin.

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: NitroX]
      #335160 - 05/12/19 05:39 AM

YES - I remember that one Colin, well done.

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #335213 - 08/12/19 03:13 AM

Have any Aussies had a 'howdah' created for shooting the BGRC competition? Or anyone know of someone having had it done?

Interested in what it was, assuming it has been done. And any legal issues.

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Re: How to make a Howdah handgun [Re: NitroX]
      #335235 - 08/12/19 09:50 AM

That PEDERSOLI looks like the old .410 H&R Handiguns we used to get here in Oz......



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