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Their is a small discreet lever made as pare of the right hammer. the firing pin is under the top right shot gun barrel firing pin.. You can see it in the third pic. You have to look at the ear on the right hammer very closely to see the lever.

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Someone know his guns!

Spot on...


RST here makes good quality 2 1/2" paper shells with low (1125fps) velocity and pressure nitro loads with lubricated fiber wads that work great in these old hunters. Since the bores are mirror, and they're undamaged, I have no qualms in shooting this ammo in her.

The 10.5X47R will have 777 as powder, measured by volume as compared to black. There is little if any information on the 10.5X47R, so I'll approach the loads carefully. Making ammo for it will be a challenge, it appears.

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No wonder you did what you did luv2safari!
That is one exquisite piece of kit there - the engraving is superb to say the least!
As it's next custodian you should be justly proud of such a wonderful piece of history.
Speaking of such, it must have an interesting history with a crest on it, if you find out more please post this up.
When you do get a chance I'd suggest a cast of all the chambers & twist rate - as this may point you in certain directions as to paper, brass or plastic hulls; as well as what projectile weigh to use.
As to the 10.5X47R (if you find this correct), can you tell us a bit more about it please?
I'm assuming all loads will be with BP?

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I have seen this monogram before, but I can't find my information on the Prussian nobility monograms.

The coronet is in keeping with a Baronial title, I believe. I'll be researching it further, until I find an answer or a dead end.

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No wonder you did what you did luv2safari!
That is one exquisite piece of kit there - the engraving is superb to say the least!
As it's next custodian you should be justly proud of such a wonderful piece of history.
Speaking of such, it must have an interesting history with a crest on it, if you find out more please post this up.
When you do get a chance I'd suggest a cast of all the chambers & twist rate - as this may point you in certain directions as to paper, brass or plastic hulls; as well as what projectile weigh to use.
As to the 10.5X47R (if you find this correct), can you tell us a bit more about it please?
I'm assuming all loads will be with BP?

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I have seen this monogram before, but I can't find my information on the Prussian nobility monograms.

The coronet is in keeping with a Baronial title, I believe. I'll be researching it further, until I find an answer or a dead end.

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Kaiser and King Strasbourg U Baden

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Hi luv2safari. Nice drilling. Thanks for posting and sharing it with us. I was wondering about the crest, the Kaiser was of course Prussian. If the crest is from the Baden Baden / Strassbourg area, he wouldn't have been Prussian? Unless that Principality / region was a Prussian possession? Perhaps one of our knowledgeable German members would know, or larcher who lives very close by in what is now France. The border changing there again and again.

luv2safari, I can't remember, did I buy just barrels from you or the Tikka 512? Used the U/O shotgun on a Naval Military Club twilight shoot last night. I think it was barrels on reflection. Have resorted to the U/O shotgun as I am not shooting well with my side by sides recently.

Good to see the clays breaking this time.

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Again, I have to disappoint an overoptimistic American. The shape of a crown indicated a rank in European nobility. This crown indicates the rank of a quite common Freiherr or Baron, the second lowest rank of nobility, called Gentry in England. It would have been an insult to engrave such a humble, inappropiate crown on a gun ordered by any member of a royal, dukal or even countly family.
"Hofbüchsenmacher" was a title given to many upgrade gunshops. It means nothing more than the British phrase "By Appointment to His Majesty the King", good for advertisement only. Nagel & Menz had gunshops in Baden – Baden and Strasbourg. While Baden was THE spa of the international aristocracy, Strasbourg in Alsace – Lorraine was part of the "Reichsland Elsass – Lothringen" from 1871 to 1918, a territry subject directly to Kaiser Wilhem I.
The drilling with wit the up-down swinging right hammer nose is to the early patented design by Immanuel Meffert, Suhl. So it was most likely made by Meffert for Nagel & Menz.

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I figured the coronet was Baronial. I should have said it bears a noble's crest. Would have that been more correct? We Americans divested of nobility in the 1780s... . We're a bit ignorant on the subject. Now it's our "entitled" political class who are sure they're nobility.

I very much appreciate your input and find it invaluable. The knowledge here is a great resource, for sure.

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Again, I have to disappoint an overoptimistic American. The shape of a crown indicated a rank in European nobility. This crown indicates the rank of a quite common Freiherr or Baron, the second lowest rank of nobility, called Gentry in England. It would have been an insult to engrave such a humble, inappropiate crown on a gun ordered by any member of a royal, dukal or even countly family.
"Hofbüchsenmacher" was a title given to many upgrade gunshops. It means nothing more than the British phrase "By Appointment to His Majesty the King", good for advertisement only. Nagel & Menz had gunshops in Baden – Baden and Strasbourg. While Baden was THE spa of the international aristocracy, Strasbourg in Alsace – Lorraine was part of the "Reichsland Elsass – Lothringen" from 1871 to 1918, a territry subject directly to Kaiser Wilhem I.
The drilling with wit the up-down swinging right hammer nose is to the early patented design by Immanuel Meffert, Suhl. So it was most likely made by Meffert for Nagel & Menz.

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I figured the coronet was Baronial. I should have said it bears a nobel's crest. Would have that been more correct? We Americans divested of nobility in the 1780s... . We're a bit ignorant on the subject. Now it's our "entitled" political class who are sure they're nobility.

I very much appreciate your input and find it invaluable. The knowledge here is a great resource, for sure.

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Not to contradict Kuduae. Especially as I am editing my comment! I see Kuduae did mention "Freiherr or Baron", the second part of "or" I missed in my first reading of the comment. No doubt Kuduae has a far more direct knowledge than I!

Freiherr is the equivalent of Baron in the UK. Literally translated as "Fee Mister". I believe Baron might also be used? But possibly just a translation into English at times? A Freiherr owned lands "free" from interference. Unlike all our lands where the "Crown" can interfere, impose their will, demand easements etc, a Freiherr owned his lands absolutely.

Wouldn't we all love to have land rights like this?

But of course in our modern marxist inspired world, such rights (probably) do not exist anywhere. Gov't can not be denied.

Since the Weinmar Republic, in the 1920s, such titles do not exist in Germany either. Noble families were permitted to keep the title in their surnames. So eg a Freiherr von Schlottheim, or Baron of Schlottheeim, could take the surname Schlottheim, von Schlottheim or Freiherr von Schlottheim. so I knew a Burkhard Freiherr von Schlottheim when I lived in the UK. My wife visited them in Western Germany. All the family had that long three word "Friherr von Schlottheim", name as their last name. Maybe the females used Freiherrin I don't know?

Freiherr's being a lower level of noble rank, while not common, are relatively more common than the other noble ranks. With it no longer being a true title, inherited by the heir, it is probably even more numerous now than pre 1920's.

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The shape of a crown indicated a rank in European nobility. This crown indicates the rank of a quite common Freiherr or Baron, the second lowest rank of nobility, called Gentry in England.

It would have been an insult to engrave such a humble, inappropiate crown on a gun ordered by any member of a royal, dukal or even countly family.

"Hofbüchsenmacher" was a title given to many upgrade gunshops. It means nothing more than the British phrase "By Appointment to His Majesty the King", good for advertisement only. Nagel & Menz had gunshops in Baden – Baden and Strasbourg. While Baden was THE spa of the international aristocracy, Strasbourg in Alsace – Lorraine was part of the "Reichsland Elsass – Lothringen" from 1871 to 1918, a territry subject directly to Kaiser Wilhem I.

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Hi Kuduae, not to go off topic, but you refer to Friherr being the second lowest rank of nobility. What was the lowest? I thought Freiherr was the lowest? Thanks.

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Are you sure it is 0.13" and not 0.013", there is quite a difference.

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LOL...what difference does an "0" make??

My flingerz dn't hit th keez ok.

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