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The Dogs of War
      #110707 - 30/07/08 11:11 AM

The Dogs of War

With the Simon Mann trial getting coverage, I made sure to watch this one when it aired recently. Anyone else seen this? Christopher Walken as edgy as ever. Not a bad picture at all.

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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: Charles_Helm]
      #110709 - 30/07/08 12:36 PM

It wasn't a bad movie in its own right but I didn't think it did the book justice at all. Walken was too young & fresh faced for the character of Cat Shannon I thought & the multi barrel grenade launcher was a bit too "Hollywood", other than that though, an OK action flick if you could disremember having read the book. Spanish Harlem indeed.
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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: shinz]
      #110715 - 30/07/08 04:15 PM

The movie is good, the book is even better. I like the song at the end too during the credits.

Some history on the book.

Written by Frederick Forsythe.

It has alleged the book is quite a good basic manual on how to setup and equip a mercenary expedition (at the time). How to get credit and credibility from suppliers, end user certificates etc.

The reason for this book being in existence, it is alleged that Frederick Forsythe himself financed a mercenary expedition to West Africa himself, but the arms were sprung at a Spanish port and the whole deal fell through. To recoup his losses Forsythe wrote the book "The Dogs of War".

A book worth reading and a movie worth seeing.

I like the scene when Shannon shoots the President counting his money. And even better when he shoots the next guy. (though the book has a far more realistic and sensible reason for this than the movie)

Also when I went through Bulawayo hangar posing as an airport terminal last during a currency conversion in Zimbabwe (2006) it reminded me of the scene in the airport of "The Dogs of War". Lots of black sun-glassed goons and heavies around everywhere hassling people.


Vive la mort! Vive la guerre! Vive le sacré mercenaire!



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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: NitroX]
      #110716 - 30/07/08 04:23 PM



Some quotations:

Michel: [raising his glass in a toast] Vive la mort ! Vive la guerre ! Vive le sacré mercenaire !

Shannon: [to the other mercenaries] Remember; you have to make it home to get paid.

Shannon: In my jungle, you'd be just another asshole.

Shannon: Shannon says something doubting the effectiveness of Col Bobi's troops
Col. Bobi: If there is one who does not fight, Ill take his head and mount it on the palace gates
Shannon: You and your brother in law have the same easygoing way of doing buisness
Col. Bobi: Olou Kimba does not do buisness. So Sec Bobi will be president. He wants to be God... I want to be RICH!

Drew: [the mercenaries are caught in the middle of a fire fight] What happened to us just providing tactical and logistical support?

Drew: [Shannon is recruiting men] Count me in; I'll go.
Shannon: Don't you want to know where and what?
Drew: Doesn't matter. My wife's six months pregnant. Wherever we're going, it's gotta be better than sittin' around watchin' her get fat.

Shannon: [about his mercenaries] Everybody comes with me, goes home.

Endean: Shannon, get him out of here! This whole country's bought and paid for!
Shannon: You're gonna have to buy it all over again.
[shoots Col. Bobi]

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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: NitroX]
      #110717 - 30/07/08 04:24 PM


"The Wild Geese" is another similar movie. Anyone know of any others in a similar genre?


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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: NitroX]
      #110759 - 31/07/08 10:45 AM

I haven't seen The Wild Geese in ages. Guess I should look it up. I suppose I really need to find the book for this one too. Blood Diamond had a bit of a mercenary theme but not to the degree of these.

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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: Charles_Helm]
      #110761 - 31/07/08 11:07 AM

I agree, the book is way better than the flick.

As for others, there was one made years ago more or less just after the Simba Rebellion IIRC starring an actor I can picture in my mind but can't name at the moment.

Yeah, I'm sure with that bit of info somebody will pipe right up and remember that one!

It might take two or three viewings of Guns at Batasi before I can remember the fellow that starred in the one that escapes me.

Oh, yeah, not exactly the same genre, but Attenborough in Guns at Batasi is great. One of my all-time favorite movies.

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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: 9.3x57]
      #110762 - 31/07/08 11:18 AM

Dang it, I got it!

Some braintwisting searches on Netflix pulled it up. It has been so many years ago I can't even remember the plotline.

Starring Rod Taylor {shame on you Aussies...he's 'Stralya! }

Dark of the Sun, co-starring Yvette Mimieux.

Oh...Yvette...

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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: 9.3x57]
      #110778 - 31/07/08 02:12 PM

Watched "Dogs of War" again last night because of this thread.

Another scene I like is right at the end of the air port scene when the customs Snoobab gives a big smile after "taxing" Shannon.


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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: NitroX]
      #110795 - 31/07/08 07:33 PM

Quote:

Watched "Dogs of War" again last night because of this thread.

Another scene I like is right at the end of the air port scene when the customs Snoobab gives a big smile after "taxing" Shannon.




Did the scene give you a feeling of deja vu from one of your own trips to Africa?


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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: 9.3x57]
      #110800 - 31/07/08 08:39 PM

Quote:

Dang it, I got it!


Dark of the Sun, co-starring Yvette Mimieux.

Oh...Yvette...




Hmmmmm

Even if she is old enough (I think) to be my (youngish) granny, big sis maybe , a very classy lady. I'm sure I've seen it or maybe just read the book, I reckon I've read all of Uncle Wilburs at some stage or another.
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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: shinz]
      #110868 - 01/08/08 02:42 PM

Guess I need to keep my eyes open for Dark of the Sun aka The Mercenaries.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Any yes, the customs scene in The Dogs of War reminds me of my last outbound trip though Johannesburg, although I got a receipt...

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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: Charles_Helm]
      #131531 - 05/04/09 06:42 PM

I remember 'Game For Vultures' with Richard Harris, being very good.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079191/


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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: MattieA]
      #131535 - 05/04/09 07:17 PM


I love all of those War / Merc movies.

I reckon a few more will be made in the next few years
based around Iraq / Afgahnistan.


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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: NitroX]
      #131715 - 07/04/09 05:42 PM

Quote:


Anyone know of any others in a similar genre?




The Diamond Mercenaries - Fonda & Savalas
http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9D05E1D6113CE334BC4952DFB566838D669EDE

And uber-cheesy Wings Hauser, in HOSTAGE
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093213/


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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: Story]
      #146529 - 24/11/09 06:45 AM

Try: Blood Diamond, Game for Vultures, and Hotel Rawanda.

T.I.A.


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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: Gollum]
      #300863 - 27/05/17 12:15 PM

For the Dogs of War fans, Barnett has the movie prop "grenade launcher" for sale.

https://stevebarnettfineguns.com/miscell...ogs-of-war-25mm

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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: Charles_Helm]
      #300867 - 27/05/17 06:10 PM

Dark of the Sun was loosely based on one of Mad Mike Hoares jobs. Forget which one. It had Jim Brown as Taylor's offsider.

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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: Rule303]
      #300868 - 27/05/17 06:38 PM

fred forsyths best book was The Day Of The Jackal a very good read imo.

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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: Rule303]
      #333960 - 28/10/19 08:57 PM

Quote:

Dark of the Sun was loosely based on one of Mad Mike Hoares jobs. Forget which one. It had Jim Brown as Taylor's offsider.




Saw this thread being read and decided to re-visit it.

The "Wild Geese" was based on Hoare as well. And the Katanga Rebellion.

I have about three or four of Hoare's books as audio files. Very interesting to listen to.

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Re: The Dogs of War [Re: NitroX]
      #333962 - 28/10/19 09:04 PM

Another enjoyable movie though I disagree completely with the theme.

On netflix propaganda channel:
The Siege of Jadotville (2016)

UN goes into the Congo. A raw Irish unit into the bush. The UN is there to save the 'democratic' marxist gov't of the Congo, from the evil mercenaries. The UN ffffs it up and the Irish gets into trouble being attacked by evil mercenaries.

Same time as Michael Hoare's "5 Commando" and others were in Katanga Province, or elsewhere in the Congo.



The 50 shades of boring is the main actor.

Ignoring the NWO pro marxist politics and UN glorification, it is fun to watch.

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