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DennisDaigger
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Another Martini
      #333858 - 26/10/19 03:45 PM

Over the last five years I have created threads on another forum of two miniature BSA Martini projects that I have built and the conversation there is out of control so am looking for a more comfortable place to share some of my work. Here is the one I finished early this year and if there is any interest in the details I can reconstruct the project from its inception here.

The other project is a four barreled BSA Martini with a black walnut chest.
Dennis

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Re: Another Martini [Re: DennisDaigger]
      #333859 - 26/10/19 03:47 PM

looks perfect!
please show more pics

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Re: Another Martini [Re: lancaster]
      #333860 - 26/10/19 04:32 PM

Great looking rifle!

Please feel free to give us all the details.
You will have an appreciative audience here.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: tinker]
      #333861 - 26/10/19 10:15 PM

Finally someone who knows how to make a graceful lever on a Martini. Beautiful gun, well done.

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Edited by DoubleD (26/10/19 10:17 PM)

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Re: Another Martini [Re: DoubleD]
      #333863 - 27/10/19 12:23 AM

That is superb work! Please show more photos.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: CptCurl]
      #333868 - 27/10/19 01:37 AM

I can't believe that an internet thread would degenerate into a morass of petty narcissism and table-thumping nerd rage.

Your Martini looks great. The 25-35, when I manage to find a reamer, will likely become my main gun. Just something about it.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: DoubleD]
      #333869 - 27/10/19 01:41 AM

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Finally someone who knows how to make a graceful lever on a Martini. Beautiful gun, well done.



Not just the lever but everything I see on this rifle is top notch.
To my eye, the little things such as the shape of the flat on the stock, how the checkering works with the shape of the grip, the sling swivels, how the lever comes down and meets the grip cap, etc. are what put this particular Martini way above most that you see.
I want to know how much of this build did you do on your own. It all looks like “Guild” quality to me!

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Re: Another Martini [Re: Huvius]
      #333871 - 27/10/19 01:51 AM

Dennis, your Martini is superb. Interesting 'old tune' ctg. as well.
Very interesting indeed.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: DennisDaigger]
      #333876 - 27/10/19 04:38 AM

Thanks for the positive feedback.
The project started with a non-takedown BSA Model 12 action, a Krieger 1.3" full round barrel and a nice stock blank from Denli.

Project collaborators:
Morris Melani Big Lake Alaska-barrel threading, chambering and full ovate profile; design and making of takedown mechanism; design and making of base for aperture sight

Peter Nagel-lever handle welding

Jim White Wasilla Alaska-engraving

Turnbull-color case harding

All stock work, metal finishing, conversion to center fire, nitre bluing and rust bluing, rebuild and mounting of scope in AKAH vintage rings and base, creation of cherry trunk is mine.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: DennisDaigger]
      #333877 - 27/10/19 04:45 AM






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Re: Another Martini [Re: Huvius]
      #333878 - 27/10/19 07:25 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Finally someone who knows how to make a graceful lever on a Martini. Beautiful gun, well done.



Not just the lever but everything I see on this rifle is top notch.
To my eye, the little things such as the shape of the flat on the stock, how the checkering works with the shape of the grip, the sling swivels, how the lever comes down and meets the grip cap, etc. are what put this particular Martini way above most that you see.
I want to know how much of this build did you do on your own. It all looks like “Guild” quality to me!



I think 'Guild' quality is spot on here, beautiful work to say the least from all involved!
Could you step through the work involved in more detail please as to the scope, mounts, peep sight etc - absolutely stunning workmanship!
Is that also a take down mechanism that you have on this rifle as well?
We can't get enough of quality around here!
Love the case work also, that could be a whole segment by itself.....

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Re: Another Martini [Re: 93x64mm]
      #333882 - 27/10/19 08:11 AM

Oh yes - WOW!

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Re: Another Martini [Re: 93x64mm]
      #333883 - 27/10/19 09:54 AM

The initial inspiration for my two Martini projects came from an early Hoffman .25-20 WCF that I bought some time ago. It has an inordinately elegant stock and Michael Petrov believed it was the work of John Dubiel.


This is a full sized rifle built for an adult and the proportions are, to me at least, as good as it gets and when I stocked my Martinis the Hoffman was the backdrop.

I scribed circle arcs at the rear of the action for the scallops and used a chain saw file to remove the bulk of the material. A 1 1/2" magna-tip sharpening stone was then used to finish the work.

I replaced the original through bolt with a 1/4" shanked one made from drill rod. Then 5/16" and 5/8" gun drills were used to drill the hole through the stock. The blank was inletted into the back of the action, rough shaped and set aside for other work.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: DennisDaigger]
      #333884 - 27/10/19 10:05 AM

Holy Cow! Man, you have talent. Do you work for others?

Thanks for posting this thread. I haven't seen the one you complained of and don't intend to look. Only an idiot could cast aspersions on this work.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: CptCurl]
      #333898 - 27/10/19 02:14 PM

The vitriol was not directed at me or my work but by a few very uncivil canons loosing on folks that didn't seem to deserve it. I'm a self taught amateur working for myself that loves nice guns and thought it would be a lot faster teaching myself to become a gunmaker than to take so much time and money to become a doctor or lawyer and have guns made for me.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: DennisDaigger]
      #333902 - 27/10/19 04:30 PM

Quote:

Over the last five years I have created threads on another forum of two miniature BSA Martini projects that I have built and the conversation there is out of control so am looking for a more comfortable place to share some of my work.



I was confused by later comments, so went back and see the origin of those comments was elsewhere.

You are very welcome.I doubt there would be such a problem here.

Quote:


Here is the one I finished early this year and if there is any interest in the details I can reconstruct the project from its inception here.



Yes please.


Quote:


The other project is a four barreled BSA Martini with a black walnut chest.
Dennis



I assume that is four exchangeable barrels? Would be nice to see as well.

This Martini displayed, a lovely work of gunmaking art, and would be a joy to use.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: NitroX]
      #333906 - 27/10/19 08:01 PM

Absolutely beautiful, as someone who is currently building a 30-30 on a 12/15 action this is an inspiration. Mine will be for a dedicated roe and muntjac rifle but I am sure I will take the odd fallow with it. All the details are beautifully done!
How or who did the CCH? Fabulous.
Does it have a safety?
Thank you for posting here and I look forward to seeing more of your talented work!
Regards K

Edited by karamoja (27/10/19 08:02 PM)

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Re: Another Martini [Re: karamoja]
      #333908 - 27/10/19 08:52 PM

Very nice

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Re: Another Martini [Re: HeymSR20]
      #333912 - 28/10/19 01:12 AM

The more I look at it the more I want to look at it.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: 93x64mm]
      #333913 - 28/10/19 02:27 AM

The takedown mechanism was the creation of Morris Melani, a very gifted machinist and guild metalsmith. It has no protrusions outside the profile of a non-takedown rifle and works great. It has a spring activated sliding bolt that locks the barrel at an indexed position into a slot milled in the front of the action. When the bolt is retracted a second spring locks the bolt into a detent at the rear of the bolt movement. When the barrel is screwed fully in you simply press the button at the bottom of the forearm in and it snaps forward into the locked position.

Here are some pictures of the mechanism.





Dennis

Edited by DennisDaigger (28/10/19 02:44 AM)

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Re: Another Martini [Re: karamoja]
      #333914 - 28/10/19 02:42 AM

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Absolutely beautiful, as someone who is currently building a 30-30 on a 12/15 action this is an inspiration. Mine will be for a dedicated roe and muntjac rifle but I am sure I will take the odd fallow with it. All the details are beautifully done!
How or who did the CCH? Fabulous.
Does it have a safety?
Thank you for posting here and I look forward to seeing more of your talented work!
Regards K


Turnbull did the case colors. This is what they used to called 'mottled' and now call European. Nicely toned down. On my other Martini project I rubbed the case colors back with used pads so that the engraving showed better.

No safety and as you know this is one of the few faults of this action. Fortunately the striker spring tension holds the bolt just high when the action is opened to keep a cartridge from slipping from the chamber so that the rifle can be carried with a round in the chamber until shooting time.

Nice selection of a classic cartridge. Should serve your intended purpose quite nicely.
Dennis

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Re: Another Martini [Re: DennisDaigger]
      #333917 - 28/10/19 03:15 AM

Beautiful rifle. Thanks for sharing. Very inspirational.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: DoubleD]
      #333942 - 28/10/19 10:07 AM

I have always liked and preferred the Martini lever modification for the pistol grip sporting rifles

You certainly have done a very good job for your small Martini



This is my Isaac Hollis .577/450 game rifle which I like very much

Good luck in your future endeavours

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Re: Another Martini [Re: TH44]
      #333944 - 28/10/19 11:01 AM

TH44,
Nice rifle and the lever terminus is classic.

I started the lever modification by cutting most of the original off and then forming a piece of D2 to the desired curve. This was welded on to the action end of the lever. A tube of 1018 steel was welded to the other end. I then made buttons to cap each end of this tube. These caps were engraved and then nitre blued. They are secured with a screw from one side. The buttons are just in front of the breech block in the photo.

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Re: Another Martini [Re: 93x64mm]
      #333945 - 28/10/19 01:12 PM

The scope on this rifle is one of my two favorite scopes for rifles. This particular Martini has a Zeiss Zielklein mounted but I have an equal affection for the Hensoldt Klein-Dialyt. The small steel tubes allow for sleek profiles, good blending of surface finish with the rifle finish, they are small and compact, are well made, have excellent optics and in short, simply work for me. This photo shows four that I have. From top to bottom: Bock kipplauf 7x57; 1903 Springfield .400 Whelen; this Martini; and; last is in reserve should I build something else that I'd like to scope.

To prepare these for use I completely disassemble them and remove the dried lube, clean the lenses and completely remove the finish from the body. In the cases of the Bock and this Martini I needed to solder the tubes into the rings after 'plumbing' them. The Springfield was easy, it was a Griffin and Howe side mount with split rings.

I'm getting better at keeping the excess solder to a minimum but the clean up is always tedious. Then rust bluing, relube and reassembly.

The Martini scope is mounted in an early AKAH mount that uses levers to lock it in. The Bock had an additional problem. It had claw bases but no rings so I had to make the rings, a challenge I won't soon repeat.

I'll do a post of the peep sight in a bit.
Dennis

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