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458 win mag in 458 Lott.
      #333666 - 21/10/19 07:32 AM

I'm pretty sure this question has been asked before but I didn't find anything with the search button. I know it safe to shoot 458 win mag in a 458 Lott but what about the accuracy and possible damage to the chamber?

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: Buster95]
      #333667 - 21/10/19 08:24 AM

Your biggest challenge will be reliable feeding in a magazine rifle. WRT to accuracy, only testing will reveal the answer. Chamber damage? Youíre using short brass when using the win mag vs the Lott brass, so there will be hot gasses in direct contact with parts of the chamber between the short case mouth and the leade that would not normally see hot gasses. I canít imagine it would cause you any significant damage, after all, weíre not talking about a high round count target rifle..are we? Iíve shot a few dozen rounds of .458 Win Mag in a couple of Lott chambered rifles with no discernible Ill effects and with reasonable if not stellar accuracy. I did it for the simple reason to see if it could be done in a pinch. If you are doing it for lighter loads for practice, simply use Lott brass and load light charges as per your reloading manuals. Lott brass is very common and there is really no reason to shoot win mag in it save for the rare occasion your luggage/ammo doesn't show up courtesy of the airlines.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: Postman]
      #333672 - 21/10/19 09:38 AM

The .458 Lott was different from the .450 Watts(identical chambers - almost), in that the front of the chamber of the Lott had a gentle entry into the throat, instead of the normal 90degree chamber ending and 45 degree angle into the throat itself, that the .450 Watts & all other chambers have.

Thus, the Lott chamber was meant to be able to shoot .458 Win. Mag. without shaving guilding metal or copper off the bullet's shank as would happen to the bullet as it hit the end of the .450's chamber.

Will it shoot accurately? There is only one way to find out as well as finding out how much velocity is lost due to blow-by.

Postman's suggestion to use .458 Lott brass is a good one.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: Daryl_S]
      #333823 - 25/10/19 09:11 AM

I shot quite a few rounds of 458 win in my CZ 550 458lott. I did not shoot off a bench or a rest and as a result I dont recall any difference in accuracy. I guess, it comes down to practical vs technical. I used the win mag because it turns up on the 2nd hand / trade-in table. I buy it right and blow it off for fun: paper or what ever I wanted to bust up. Seems like it would kill stuff fine.

What I did notice was a significant shift in point of impact. I dont remember the amount. I got around it somehow. I just dont remember what I did. I have used a scope, a peep and plain irons on that gun. It is all a blur right now. In my opinion, I see no practical down side to shooting win mag. On the other hand, if it were not for the occasional score of cheap ammo, I see no reason to do it.

It is too bad no one offers a lighter bullet loaded in the win mag. Not necessarily a light load but maybe 400 grain soft nose for the NA hunter. Something other than 500 grain african game loads.


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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: bigboar]
      #333824 - 25/10/19 09:30 AM

I see your point on the 'other' ammo, bigboar. When I had my .458 Alaskan which easily duplicated 1960's factory .458 Win. Mag. loads, I chose to load it down for NA game. What I picked was a good shooting load of Reloader #7 powder and the 400gr. Barnes Spitzers, at 2,150fps. The recoil was a little more than the same ballistics from the .458 2", however was considerably less than 500gr. bullets at the same speed.

I used it primarily as an in-camp grizzly protection for the cook and her kids. I was physically unable to guide at that time, but could sit in camp, eat her baking, drinking coffee and doing guard duty. Yes - it was boring, no grizzlies every showed up while I was there, but the "job" was done & I am sure the load was up to the job at hand.

I cannot imagine having to shoot factory ammo in a .458 Winnie or the Lott for that matter. If I wanted to shoot any gun well enough to become proficient with it, handloading was necessary, for me.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: bigboar]
      #333826 - 25/10/19 09:43 AM

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It is too bad no one offers a lighter bullet loaded in the win mag. Not necessarily a light load but maybe 400 grain soft nose for the NA hunter. Something other than 500 grain african game loads.




So true!
You notice how many 458 rifles are offered for sale with an almost full box of factory ammo?

Iíve found my Lott to be the most versatile and enjoyable rifle to reload for and I have never loaded anything near factory loads with 500gr bullets. No need for that kind of punishment.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: Huvius]
      #334392 - 11/11/19 11:19 PM

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It is too bad no one offers a lighter bullet loaded in the win mag. Not necessarily a light load but maybe 400 grain soft nose for the NA hunter. Something other than 500 grain african game loads.




So true!
You notice how many 458 rifles are offered for sale with an almost full box of factory ammo?

Iíve found my Lott to be the most versatile and enjoyable rifle to reload for and I have never loaded anything near factory loads with 500gr bullets. No need for that kind of punishment.






I have loaded the 350 grain Hornady and the 405 grain Remington bullets in the .458 Mag. with great success, both as to accuracy and ballistics.

Cast bullets are another great source of pleasure.

The .458 Mag. will do a lot of different tricks. It is a great caliber and lots of fun.

But, of course, it really shines as a stomper. Here are a couple of full-stomper targets, with chronograph readouts, I shot last year. The first shot with a Lyman 4x scope; the second with express sights.









These I shot in preparation for my trip to Australia last year. In the end, I didn't take the rifle because of miles of red-tape in Oz.

The bottom chronograph print-out shows the average velocity of the 500 grain bullet at 2073 fps over the full 20 round string. That's real power!

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: CptCurl]
      #334398 - 12/11/19 01:47 AM

Back in the early-mid '80's I corresponded with Jack Lott and he offered to build me a .458 Lott for almost nothing. IIRC the total was $300 if I bought a Whitworth rifle in .375 H&H Mag {so he could use the opened action} and paid the shipping to/from. He would swap out the barrel and then load the stock with some lead weight as he considered the Whitworth way too light a gun for the .458 Win or Lott round either one. He also taught me how to bed machine screws in the action to prevent splitting, something new to me at the time. I've done it since and always think of him when I am doing the stock work.

The downside to this story is that I had no real need for the rifle and declined {...chastisement from the audience deserved...} and wound up buying a .375 H&H SAKO Finnbear which I have used since. THAT was no mistake of course and in fact, I shot my elk with it this year. That old gun was worn silver and I had it reblued some years ago and just this year finally switched out the old repaired 4x Leupold for a Leupold 3.5-10. A great tool it has been.

Anyway, Lott sang the praises of the interchangeability of the rounds. I remember no concern ever mentioned about chamber erosion being a consideration in hunting rifles tho it makes sense it could be with a gun shot thousands of times. Also, he seemed to discount changes in zero for close-range open sight hunting. He had nothing but good to say about the Lott round AND the concept; back and forth switching of rounds.

A true POI & accuracy comparison between Lott and Win would be interesting for the guy that cares to have a go at it.

I am STILL searching for the article Lott wrote about a friend of his who lived in Thailand and had both .458 Lott and .458 Win rifle setups for local buffalo hunting, and by that I mean, poaching. My memory is a little fuzzy on the details but I do remember it was a very interesting piece. The fellow had his main rifle set up for heavy loads of Lott while his local Thai friend/tracker had the second gun loaded with .458 Win and heavy cast bullets, done so as factory 500's were simply extremely expensive and very difficult to get in any quantity. Evidently the fellow had a cobbled-together loading setup that included a drill press and seemed to know as much about practical applications of gun lore as Jack...

It was a fascinating article as much for the gun lore as for the fact that it was a cited example of a poacher using something other than an AK, FNFAL or some sewer-tubed old milsurp castaway for his hunting. Quarry by the way as mentioned was indigenous buffalo. I want that article and can't even remember which gun rag printed it, but it was not G&A IIRC. I think more like GUNS. Anyway, the hero of the story there would have been a very early user of the Lott cartridge and somehow I am not entirely certain it was not Jack himself! one has reason to consider the CIA rumours, etc...

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #334399 - 12/11/19 01:56 AM

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Back in the early-mid '80's I corresponded with Jack Lott and he offered to build me a .458 Lott for almost nothing. IIRC the total was $300 if I bought a Whitworth rifle in .375 H&H Mag {so he could use the opened action} and paid the shipping to/from. He would swap out the barrel and then load the stock with some lead weight as he considered the Whitworth way too light a gun for the .458 Win or Lott round either one. He also taught me how to bed machine screws in the action to prevent splitting, something new to me at the time. I've done it since and always think of him when I am doing the stock work.

The downside to this story is that I had no real need for the rifle and declined {...chastisement from the audience deserved...} and wound up buying a .375 H&H SAKO Finnbear which I have used since. THAT was no mistake of course and in fact, I shot my elk with it this year. That old gun was worn silver and I had it reblued some years ago and just this year finally switched out the old repaired 4x Leupold for a Leupold 3.5-10. A great tool it has been.

Anyway, Lott sang the praises of the interchangeability of the rounds. I remember no concern ever mentioned about chamber erosion being a consideration in hunting rifles tho it makes sense it could be with a gun shot thousands of times. Also, he seemed to discount changes in zero for close-range open sight hunting. He had nothing but good to say about the Lott round AND the concept; back and forth switching of rounds.

A true POI & accuracy comparison between Lott and Win would be interesting for the guy that cares to have a go at it.

I am STILL searching for the article Lott wrote about a friend of his who lived in Thailand and had both .458 Lott and .458 Win rifle setups for local buffalo hunting, and by that I mean, poaching. My memory is a little fuzzy on the details but I do remember it was a very interesting piece. The fellow had his main rifle set up for heavy loads of Lott while his local Thai friend/tracker had the second gun loaded with .458 Win and heavy cast bullets, done so as factory 500's were simply extremely expensive and very difficult to get in any quantity. Evidently the fellow had a cobbled-together loading setup that included a drill press and seemed to know as much about practical applications of gun lore as Jack...

It was a fascinating article as much for the gun lore as for the fact that it was a cited example of a poacher using something other than an AK, FNFAL or some sewer-tubed old milsurp castaway for his hunting. Quarry by the way as mentioned was indigenous buffalo. I want that article and can't even remember which gun rag printed it, but it was not G&A IIRC. I think more like GUNS. Anyway, the hero of the story there would have been a very early user of the Lott cartridge and somehow I am not entirely certain it was not Jack himself! one has reason to consider the CIA rumours, etc...

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Great story..thx for posting..

and YES, you should have let him build the rifle..

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: Ripp]
      #334401 - 12/11/19 02:35 AM

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and YES, you should have let him build the rifle..




...and the first of many well-deserved ass-chewings arrives pretty tactfully....

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #334402 - 12/11/19 03:35 AM

LOL - good stuff.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: Daryl_S]
      #334410 - 12/11/19 07:01 AM

Good shooting there Cap.....that load was certainly no pussycat load - perfect for water buffalo!
Shame about the red tape matey!


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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #334425 - 13/11/19 04:55 AM

Those ballistics are just slightly higher than my Mauser .458 2" using either 66gr. IMR4320 or 68gr. H335, both averaging 2,060fps with 510gr. Winchesters. The chamber had a 3/8" freebore, so I was able to seat the bullets out at bit.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: CptCurl]
      #334433 - 13/11/19 12:53 PM

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These I shot in preparation for my trip to Australia last year. In the end, I didn't take the rifle because of miles of red-tape in Oz.




Yes it was a great shame Curl did not bring any of the planned rifles. Originally a fine double or two. Then later the .458, less pain if it ran into bureaucratic problems! Didn't bring a rifle at all in the end. Not worth the risk.

Why?

SA and Vic, were no big problems for the visiting man bringing a rifle.

The NT is IMPOSSIBLE. The Police attitude is only persons hunting with someone with an outfitter licence or attending some 'big' target shoot can get a visitors firearms licence.

An NT NE member questions the validity of this police attitude.

But the problem remained of what happens when Curl tried to fly out from Darwin? 99% chance, having SA and Vic firearms licences, and Federal permits etc no problems.But the 1%... In the end regarding the hunting, the Police said , "what we don't know about, we don't know about" !!! ie the bush.

BTW a NT Police Firearms Outfitter licence, DOES NOT EXIST. They merely call another form, probably a corporate licence an "outfitters licence". I even considered trying to get Nitro Express Pty Ltd one of these licences. But needed a property letter for this plus lots of hassles. No way to ask the property owner, she would have told us to go away and not even hunt there if I asked this. As it was that was the last hunt on the place with Curl, as the property owner had another Aussie hunter ffffup during a hunt and cause her problems. And she was re-leasing the place WHILE we were there anyway.

BTW everyone told me how easy it all was in the NT but had never tried it themselves ... or perhaps the visitor like Pappas visited as part of a BGRC National Shoot and hunted after that, or uses an NT registered outfitter.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: NitroX]
      #334437 - 13/11/19 01:33 PM

Wow what an ordeal that was.

In all seriousness, I thot getting a hunting rifle in/out of OZ was as easy as clicking heels on the Red Slippers. By was I wrong!

Did something change in the last 10-15 years? A while back and old friend of mine hunted several times for camels and whatever else you guys have roaming around in the middle of nowhere and he didn't have any trouble getting a gun in.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #334439 - 13/11/19 06:07 PM

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Wow what an ordeal that was.

In all seriousness, I thot getting a hunting rifle in/out of OZ was as easy as clicking heels on the Red Slippers. By was I wrong!

Did something change in the last 10-15 years? A while back and old friend of mine hunted several times for camels and whatever else you guys have roaming around in the middle of nowhere and he didn't have any trouble getting a gun in.




Different states, different laws.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: NitroX]
      #334442 - 14/11/19 12:20 AM

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Wow what an ordeal that was.

In all seriousness, I thot getting a hunting rifle in/out of OZ was as easy as clicking heels on the Red Slippers. By was I wrong!

Did something change in the last 10-15 years? A while back and old friend of mine hunted several times for camels and whatever else you guys have roaming around in the middle of nowhere and he didn't have any trouble getting a gun in.




Different states, different laws.




Very interesting.

I would have thought something like a hunting rifle would be controlled by Federal laws and the local states would have no issues with it. Both Federal import and state local possession laws would apply here also but as far as I know, no state here would restrict a double or a SS or even a bolt rifle being used for legal hunting in that state.

Interesting tidbit of Aussie law there. Every place has its own Spiel on guns, to be sure.

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      #334455 - 14/11/19 01:41 PM

Different Provinces have different regulations here, but bringing them into the Country is all Fed. laws - except Quebec I'd expect, now.

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      #334458 - 14/11/19 06:09 PM

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Quote:

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Wow what an ordeal that was.

In all seriousness, I thot getting a hunting rifle in/out of OZ was as easy as clicking heels on the Red Slippers. By was I wrong!

Did something change in the last 10-15 years? A while back and old friend of mine hunted several times for camels and whatever else you guys have roaming around in the middle of nowhere and he didn't have any trouble getting a gun in.




Different states, different laws.




Very interesting.

I would have thought something like a hunting rifle would be controlled by Federal laws and the local states would have no issues with it. Both Federal import and state local possession laws would apply here also but as far as I know, no state here would restrict a double or a SS or even a bolt rifle being used for legal hunting in that state.

Interesting tidbit of Aussie law there. Every place has its own Spiel on guns, to be sure.





States have authority for firearms laws. But have ceded some auhority via the National Firearms Agreement after 1996 and the gun banner John Howard Prime Minister.

I would NOT want Federal control over all firearms laws. We would end up with the worst parts of state firearms laws over everyone. Also at a Federal level it is another step removed from the citizen.

The NT has liberal firearms laws for its residents. Perhaps the best in Australia. Interstate licensed firearms owners have no problems, as licensed visitors to the state for a period of time, 90 days, have reciprocal rights.

Foreign visitors must comply with state laws they visit. Usually require a licence for the state they arrive in, OR plan to first shoot in. An Internatinal licence or permit granted to a foreignor for a limited period of time. They also need an import permit and an export permit when leaving.

While the Police are usually unsure about it, in theory, if Curl had a Victoria International Permit, he MIGHT be covered for other states as well. The Vic Police told us that. But each state visited must also be consulted. SA Police told me BOTH he didn't need an SA one if he had a Vic Permit, then changed it and said he needed an SA permit as well .... "otherwise how do we know what firearms are in SA?" ..... In SA and maybe (?) Vic a foreign visitor does not need an International to borrow a firearm under a licensed firearms persons supervision. But if you want your own, you need an International Permit.

While NT has excellent laws for citizens, it does NOT have good ones for international visitors bringing in firearms. They are easy about shooters coming to hunt with an NT licensed outfitter. Also for shooters attending a recognised target shooting event, if documentation/letter can be supplied. It is basically IMPOSSIBLE to bring in and even use an Aussie firearm otherwise. Now is this law? The Police say it is. One of our NT members disagrees. But that doesn't help with any legal wrangles if the police decide to act. A court would then decide. Not the best scenario for a foreign guest to have to go through.

I asked the NT police, "So even if I was a property owner, and had foreign guests, I can't even take them out shooting or hunting?" The cop replied, "What happens in the bush we don't know about." BTW he wasn't too bad to deal with. Some NT residents might disagree on the interpretations by the police being made.

Most Aussies have zero knowledge bout this, as most foreign hunters use outfitters by far. Curl was told all sorts of contradictory stuff in Victoria for example. The few who don't use an outfitter probably borrow a firearm, and its all on the quiet. In practice if they have import permits, export permits, a different states int'l firearms permit, probably there would be no problem flying out from Darwin with a firearm. Is it worth the risk of legal problems?

On forums such as this, we can't recommend that of course. Could get the writer in trouble. One of our NE members also warns the US Lacey Act (?) could be used against the US citizen if the wrong thing happened and some a-hole in the US decided to act on it. I guess it could be defined as illegal hunting overseas?

I think the NT laws are due to both the NT police AND outfitters. Perhaps the outfitters wanted a 'closed shop'. Foreign hunters having to use an outfitter? If not, the police may have wanted to restrict firearms brought in to be controlled by licensed outfitters or target clubs? here would have been no one to argue for the independent hunter without an outfitter. Doesn't matter, its how the law is interpreted in the NT.

No problem at all in bringing in a firearm if booking with an outfitter and leaving enough time for the paperwork to be done in advance. Pretty straightforward.

BTW just like in Australia where the average firearms licensee has no real knowledge of international firearms permits, it is the SAME for the USA. The USA is not straight forward for a foreignor to bring in a firearm. And especially if transitting, say to Canada, it is next to impossible to carry a firearm through the USA. Never done it myself, but have heard the stories. If one is not hunting in the USA, have an outfitter to back it up, close to impossible to get an international permit for the USA. Maybe a US citizen providing legal hunting on their land might work as well? Might find out one day for myself.
I imagine attending a target shooting event would also assist in an international US permit. So if transiting the USA say to hunt in Canada, it might be necessary to also do a hunt in the USA somewhere providing documentation. Or attend some shooting event.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: NitroX]
      #334459 - 14/11/19 06:26 PM

This is all off topic for the thread but on thing.

One must always be careful what one writes.

I remember an Aussie hunter hunting in Alaska, wrote an article for an Australian hunting magazine. He wrote about flying into camp and hunting that afternoon. An Alaskan official read the article, and pursued the Aussie for breaking game laws in Alaska, where I believe it is illegal to hunt the same day as flying in. Presumably so you can not spot game from the air.

A Victorian hunter was prosecuted in NSW for hunting in NSW without a NSW game licence. He wrote about it on a hunting forum. A NSW Game Council employee read the post, checked to see if the guy had a game permit, and he was prosecuted for it.

Presumably if a USA hunter writes about a questionable hunt say poaching in Zimbabwe, eg with the old Out of Africa Safaris, he could be prosecuted in the USA, if someone reads the evidence.

Some things are not really bad, someone taking a visitor out for a shoot or hunt, might otherwise be 100% fine, except for a piece of paper ... if so, don't write about it.

SA is fine, if supervised most of the time. If duck hunting, a duck permit must be held though even if "accompanying" the SA duck hunters ... a non shooting guest should be fine, sometimes the law requires everyone on a duck reserve to have a permit.

Visitors often want to shoot a kangaroo ... lets just say no photos! Unless tags are available to legitimise it all!

Not much different to the USA, where tags for a deer might be needed. And some US states, hunting is illegal for a "alien" without an outfitter as well.

You can be sure of one thing. The law everywhere is getting nastier all the time, and forums, facebook, photos, magazine articles are in the public arena. Antis also love to expose what they see as a bad activity, ie guns and hunting, especially if they can get you for breaking some regulation or law.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: NitroX]
      #334464 - 15/11/19 12:01 AM

GREAT posts, Nitro.

And yes about bureaucrats......

And another things. We see it here, too, the layering of laws that at times the writers put together without any knowledge that they are complicating existing code. A mess. Yet all has the same effect; restrictions that impact otherwise well-intentioned individuals while having ZERO impact on criminals.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #334471 - 15/11/19 04:59 AM

Fishing in BC is OK for foreigners, with the appropriate license, of course, however if hunting, must be a guided hunt with a licensed big game guide.
May shoot small game though, including grouse, I believe.
That, is that a .22 is for.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: Daryl_S]
      #334523 - 17/11/19 06:00 PM

Quote:

Fishing in BC is OK for foreigners, with the appropriate license, of course, however if hunting, must be a guided hunt with a licensed big game guide.
May shoot small game though, including grouse, I believe.
That, is that a .22 is for.




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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: NitroX]
      #334573 - 18/11/19 11:54 PM

What John has said basically tells the story. For my trip I was travelling through four Aussie states:

* I arrived in Victoria (Melbourne) and stayed a week in Geelong. While in Vic I attended the BGRC match.
* I flew from Melbourne to Adelaide (South Australia). I was in SA four or five days.
* From SA we traveled by automobile to the Northern Territory and stayed there about 8 days.
* I flew out of Darwin, with a stop-over in Sydney (New South Wales), and then left for the U.S.

Perhaps all of the red tape could have been navigated. I started out with that intention, because I wanted my own rifle with me. But the bureaucracy wore me down until I came to the conclusion that dragging a rifle around all that travel plan just wasn't my best option. The biggest uncertainty was importing into one state (Victoria) and exporting from another state (NSW). One hard-headed official in NSW customs, and it would be bye-bye rifle, and perhaps a criminal charge.

It was a great trip nonetheless.

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Re: 458 win mag in 458 Lott. [Re: CptCurl]
      #334594 - 19/11/19 04:54 AM

A nightmarish idea and concept.

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