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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Rod4861]
      #325042 - 23/02/19 06:34 AM

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Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...

BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?

It truly would get viral internet exposure.




I wouldn't buy one unless they offered it in 45/70 Creedmore and threw in a roll of electrical tape to stop the magazine from falling out !

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And duct tape the bolt in so it doesn't hit you in the face

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #325044 - 23/02/19 06:39 AM

I understand FNFAL's will as well. Too, so will AK's if you shoot them enough - I suspect rib shots are the norm with those.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Daryl_S]
      #325077 - 23/02/19 04:05 PM

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I understand FNFAL's will as well. Too, so will AK's if you shoot them enough - I suspect rib shots are the norm with those.




The better part of a mag from an AK, up close into the heart and ole Jumbo won't go far.


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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Rule303]
      #333080 - 06/10/19 02:59 PM

Back to this 'old' thread.

Why hasn't someone created a new gun make called the "Blaster"?

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #333083 - 06/10/19 05:47 PM

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Back to this 'old' thread.

Why hasn't someone created a new gun make called the "Blaster"?




https://tactoys.com.au/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInYnQtISH5QIVWXZgCh2IvAJDEAAYASAAEgJ4yvD_BwE

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Rod4861]
      #333085 - 06/10/19 06:37 PM

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Back to this 'old' thread.

Why hasn't someone created a new gun make called the "Blaster"?




https://tactoys.com.au/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInYnQtISH5QIVWXZgCh2IvAJDEAAYASAAEgJ4yvD_BwE

Rod




Ha ha smartarse.

I looked at them a couple of weeks ago. Really did not know about them before but was amazed that a full auto toy is legal, in Qld and SA, but probably not for long. Classified as firearms eg im NSW, the Police and Media have been putting out propaganda lies about all the "AK-47s" being confiscated in NSW. A "AK-47" gel blaster model was recently released ....

I reckon getting one, two or three would be fun. Start off with one, a good one, maybe an HK. And see how good or crap they are. The 'tactical' comps look fun as well. Maybe ...

Something to hang on the wall at least. Pathetic substitute for a real M4 or AR-15 but such is life.

I give it less than a year before they are controlled as more than a toy in SA. Even though cops have said they are toys, but be careful about using them, eg an idiot 'shot' someone at a fuel station and then a supermarket with a gel blaster ... the cops hinted about the danger of carrying these toys in public if police were called to attend.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #333086 - 06/10/19 06:39 PM

Actually was looking at the new Blas(t)er models just a while ago, and reckon some of the the super duper plastic pistol stocks for the Blas(t)er could be called Blasters! Will have to post some of the pics. Imagine one of these in .45/70!!! Cool!!!

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #333095 - 07/10/19 01:46 AM

A decently strong action in .45/70 will easily duplicate my .458 2". We did this with an Siamese Mauser I barreled up for a lad.
350gr. 2,296fps
400gr. 2,150fps
500gr. 2,060fps

All with the same load in each bullet weight using either H335 or IMR4320.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Daryl_S]
      #333233 - 09/10/19 09:33 AM

Do not own (or need or want) a Blaser, but do own and use Miroku/Winchester 1886 in 45-70(458 2.1) and 1886 in 45-90(458 2.4) AND 1895 in .405 WCF with chamber extended to properly handle Woodie 400 grain bullets.
All have been to Africa and taken Cape buff and the 45-90 an ele. With the Woodie 400 grain solids, so can the .405.
Our bullet testing expedition showed that most heavy 400+ grain .458 bullets would kill buff, but that the cast bullets were more likely to shed weight, break apart, and deviate from course.

On ele, the most reliable were North Fork and Punch bullets; frontal brain shots from these shot through the brain skull, and on into the body and retrieval was accomplished by cutting them from the ele body.
My favorite solid for the .45-70 is the 450 grain Punch bullet at 2000 + fps; these PUNCH through a 5/8 in steel plate and ele heads.
Fave non solid tough bullet is the Alaska bullet works 450 grain JSP or FMJ at 2150 fps for all but the ele frontal brain shot where they only stun and do not penetrate the brain.

Blaser rifles ? I have nothing against a Blaser, but with a Winchester 1886, who needs them?

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: crshelton]
      #333234 - 09/10/19 09:43 AM

BTW, for those not able to operate a lever action rifle, there are also double rifles in .405, 45-70, and 45-90. Examples below:

.405 WCF using 300 and 400 grain bullets:


.45-70 using 300 and 400 grain bullets:



Not a Blaser in sight!

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: crshelton]
      #333239 - 09/10/19 11:18 AM

Cool!
Years ago, while talking with Elmer Keith, he told me to load the Lyman #462560 (560gr.) with hardened WW's to 1,900fps to 1,950fps and don't worry about a thing in Africa. I was talking to him about cape buff, hippo and elephant. The rifle was a VZ Mauser .458 2".
He told me my load with Barnes Spitzer 400's (.049 jackets) at 2,150fps would be fine for all plains game and the cats.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Daryl_S]
      #333240 - 09/10/19 11:43 AM

Cool. I met Elmer while autographing his books in Dallas. Glad to have done so.

I found a great leopard load to be the Nosler 300 grain .458 Protected Point at 2200 fps. It would likely work well at less than 2000 fps, but we loaded them up to the max as recommended by Nosler.
Winchester Loaded their Supreme .458 PP to about 1850 and it was a supreme deer load.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: crshelton]
      #333250 - 09/10/19 03:53 PM

I got 2,400fps with 300gr., but in my rifle, they weren't accurate. keyholes, yet my rifle had a 15" twist.

All my loads were duplicated in a friend's Siamese Mauser, with exactly the same loads I used in the .458 "American".

They would work fine, likely in a re-barreled Model 71.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Daryl_S]
      #333265 - 10/10/19 12:00 AM

You guys are aware the majority of the hunters we love to read would have loved to use a blaser over what they had at the time..

Having said that, Id like an R8 in .45 Blaser.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Ash]
      #333374 - 13/10/19 05:16 AM

"Having said that, Id like an R8 in .45 Blaser." ???

So I looked up .45 Blaser and found there is such a European cartridge with specs much like the .45-70 !!!

Maybe the .45-70 is not so out of date after all? People keep re-inventing the wheel.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Ash]
      #333393 - 13/10/19 08:26 PM

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You guys are aware the majority of the hunters we love to read would have loved to use a blaser over what they had at the time..




Ah ....... no they wouldn't ......

A Mauser is a far superior rifle any day of the year. for serious hunting.

I know I have looked at Blasers again and again, and thought, maybe, why not, then thought about one as a dangerous game rifle, and ..... you have to be kidding, no way, with a plastic fantastic .... JMO.

As a lightweight mountain hunting rifle, why not, can be used as a support if necessary when walking on tricky paths, as a client rifle for big shot trophy photos, as a very occasional .375 rifle for the once in a life time cape buffalo hunt, where the PH backs up the client with a real rifle, yes of course.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #333394 - 13/10/19 08:30 PM



And they do look like a Star Wars Blas(t)ers now.

What could be more perfect for a .45/70 dangerous game rifle!

Oops that excellent Blas(t)er image is about twenty times the size of a screen, need some editing ... done.



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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #333395 - 13/10/19 09:02 PM



The Blas(t)er doesn't look so bad in this promotional image. A pretend action scene where the jaeger isn't sitting in a hochsitz.

The .45 Blas(t)er:

From the net.
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The original cartridge made by Romey was designated 11.7x55 -not 11.6x53-, has no headstamp and was made for suppressed prototypes of the Erma SR-100 rifle made by Steyr, and also of the DSR No.1 rifle made by AMP TS GmbH (todays DSR-precision GmbH). These rifles had interchangeable barrels in 11.7x55 and 7.62x51, and as these cartridges share the same rim diameter and total lenght, both could be used with the same bolt.

Early .45 Blaser cartridges advertised in 2002 as a new caliber for the R 93 rifle have an identical case profile, but it was later modified to have a shorter neck (higher shoulder). I assume that Blaser prefered a case with more capacity and a lighter bullet, instead of using a case with a long neck intended for heavy bullets (e.g., 500 gr). In any case, the original ballistic data was never altered.

This caliber seems to have been dropped by Blaser since 2012.




Makes sense as a suppressed cartridge I guess. Can see very easily why they dropped it from their line up.

What velocity did it get with a 500 gr bullet? Or other weight?

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #333396 - 13/10/19 09:54 PM

Talking about transgender German rifles, these are getting really fricking ugly!




I reckon they wouldn't make too bad looking gelcap toy rifles though.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #333408 - 14/10/19 02:30 AM

Nitrox said,"Talking about transgender German rifles, these are getting really fricking ugly!"
and I agree. They do resemble plastic toys.
Different strokes for different folks! But not for me.

Now, the thought of their shape making them useful as a crutch, mmm

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: crshelton]
      #333431 - 14/10/19 06:17 PM

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Nitrox said,"Talking about transgender German rifles, these are getting really fricking ugly!"
and I agree. They do resemble plastic toys.
Different strokes for different folks! But not for me.

Now, the thought of their shape making them useful as a crutch, mmm




I was impressing myself, not that hard really, with my turns of phrase last night, "smooth like a super model's thigh", "transgender rifles", "suitable for gelcaps". ha ha. Just all for fun.

While on the subject of Blas(t)ers, or other rifles setup like this, I have a query for anyone who can answer on the suppressors or silencers. How do the full length barrel suppressors work?

I know how normal suppressors on the end of a barrel function. A tube is screwed onto the muzzle. The tube has baffles with a hole in the middle wider than the calibre, allowing the projectile to zip through. The chambers created by the baffles trap muzzle gases and the resultant noise. Reducing the bang of the gases escaping the muzzle. Often only a supersonic crack is heard.

If the "tube" extends down to the chamber of the barrel, are there baffles the full length of the barrel? Are the gases still released at the muzzle but diverted backwards to baffles located backwardd? Or, I doubt it, are there holes in the barrel to allow gases to escape further back than the muzzle?

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #333448 - 15/10/19 03:47 AM

Some form of a gas stripper, just larger than the bullet at the muzzle, to pull the gasses off it's base, and redirect them backwards down the shroud over the barrel.

With air rifles, there are no baffles inside the shroud around the barrel, but a series of baffles ahead of the muzzle before the end of the shroud/tube.(4 to 6" more than actual barrel length)

The shroud needs a couple holes around it's periphery at or near the action face, to relieve pressure.

This again, if for air rifles, but a similar system would work on powder burners, if baffles were also placed in the shroud, I would guess.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Daryl_S]
      #333470 - 15/10/19 10:00 PM

Thanks Daryl.

I wonder if there is anywhere a cutaway/xray type diagram showing how it works.

I assume a benefit is this sort of suppressor does not need to extend out from the muzzle like normal ones, meaning overall length is lessened.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #333473 - 16/10/19 01:19 AM

The one I have, de-tuned (baffles removed) for the Canadian
Market, does extend past the muzzle, about 5" or 6". I have
seen others that do not extend much past the muzzle.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Daryl_S]
      #333496 - 16/10/19 06:14 PM

https://youtu.be/3C2a4kRrzEM

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