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Using a 1x scope on a shotgun-rifle combination
      #33228 - 17/06/05 01:56 AM

Took the newTikka double for a walk today, just out to the paddock to try sighting it against my "pet" deer. Points pretty well. At the moment it has a 1-4x Leupold on it. Haven't got ammo for the 9.3 yet so it is all academic so far.

I plan to source a couple sets of barrels for it in 12 g/ .222 or .223 and another with a medium calibre for medium game.

My question is, if one mounts say a 1-4x scope on a combination shotgun / rifle how well can one use the shotgun with a scope? I tried "shooting" pigeons by tracking them in the scope and it seemed to be quite possible. Especially as one can easily keep both eyes open with a 1x scope.

Never thought I would consider a scoped shotgun before but it actually looks feasible. One would be limited to the upper 4x but that would be OK wth a 7mm or a .30, maybe too low for a .223?

Comments appreciated. Thanks.




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Re: Using a 1x scope on a shotgun-rifle combination [Re: NitroX]
      #33230 - 17/06/05 02:22 AM


I think it is doable.

The question I have is will the rifle and shotgun barrels line up correctly
with the scope - particularly the centre of the pattern from the shotgun.

Since it is done on drillings and the other variations ??? it should work.

Good luck

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Re: Using a 1x scope on a shotgun-rifle combination [Re: 500Nitro]
      #33288 - 17/06/05 04:24 PM

It took a bit of getting used to, but I am able to jump shoot chucker and forest grouse with my combo guns with scopes of various powers installed. The trick is getting so you ignore the scope and shoot with both eyes in earnest. I never look through the scope when shooting flying birds; just look at the bird and shoot as you would without any scope in the way...it works and has improved my scattergunning so as my hunting buddies could tell the improvement. It will force you to use both eyes and concentrate better. Straight away shots are my biggest problem. Sometimes I have to guess and blast...

Since I like lower powered scopes with smaller bells any way, I don't have monster scopes in the way, just nice trim scopes like your great Loopy 1X4 or even a 2X7, the biggest I use on combo guns. My German scopes are from 2 1/2 to a max of 4 power on all but one drilling.

I am ignorant as to bird shooting in OZ, but it would seem that you have good populations of pigeons and doves to practice on.

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Re: Using a 1x scope on a shotgun-rifle combination [Re: luv2safari]
      #33301 - 17/06/05 11:14 PM

I wouldnt do it in a pink fit. I'd rather take my chances with the iron site at 300m on a pig or deer than the scope on birds at 30m. I've got a drilling and while I conceed I have sent a 180gn 30/06 round at a flock of ducks on the wing I've yet to send a load of no 4's at a pig at 200m.
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I am ignorant as to bird shooting in OZ, but it would seem that you have good populations of pigeons and doves to practice on.

Looks can be deceptive. Short of belting the odd feral pigeon that had come down to eat the bread I left them, with my .177 air rifle when I was a kid, doves, pigeons, and most other kinds of birds are out. Ducks in Victoria, South Australia, Queensland and the Territory. Geese in the Territory. And that would be it wouldnt it?

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Re: Using a 1x scope on a shotgun-rifle combination [Re: Marty]
      #33309 - 18/06/05 02:36 AM

Nitro: I field tested a Baikal in .308/12 gauge two seasons ago and mounted a scope. I sighted in the rifle barrel through the scope and the shotgun was close enough that I was able to use it for pheasant hunting and close range coyotes. It worked very well. Since your gun is much better quality, I'd think you'd get along quite well.

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Re: Using a 1x scope on a shotgun-rifle combination [Re: Marty]
      #33311 - 18/06/05 03:01 AM


Marty,

Don't forget the Duck shooting in NSW, particularly over rice / crops
12 months of the year !!!

They may have banned duck SEASON in NSW but the shooting over rice / crops
means UNLIMITED shooting for 4 months of the year at the least with very little
walking (you can drop everyone off around the rice fields by car) as well as having
plenty of free time to shoot other things day and night (foxes, roos etc).

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Re: Using a 1x scope on a shotgun-rifle combination [Re: luv2safari]
      #33322 - 18/06/05 04:53 AM

Thanks everyone for your replies.


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I am ignorant as to bird shooting in OZ, but it would seem that you have good populations of pigeons and doves to practice on.



In South Aust we have a duck season from February to early June. A daily bag limit of 12. Except for wood duck which is unlimited as they are in pest numbers. So far our state government has shown unusually strong support for keeping a duck season going against the annual crap from the idiot greenies.

Stubble quail in season, but I haven't done this for years. One reason was I never used to have a suitable dog and looking and finding the damned things in high grass was impossible to do. Also all my other shotguns are too tightly choked and when I hit the "buzz-bombs" they usually weren't edible.

Some lucky fellows get to shoot cape barren geese which are protected but some Eyre Peninsula farmers have crop protection permits. I have been trying to get a certain 6.5mm shooter to take me along (hint-hint one day )

Feral pigeons. Shoot as many as you like.

I also do a fair bit of galah shooting. These can be shot (without permit) as part of crop protection. I can get flocks of 200 birds on my hay crops and shoot 40 or 50 without trouble. Another flock of an equal size turns up usually 10 minutes after I go into the house. No shortage of numbers of these pretty pink and grey parrots.

Very large flocks of pest starlings are also good fun but they are smarter and don't come back after a shot or three. They come back when you leave however.

Crows are big tough customers that can be shot as well. They are smart enough to know when you are merely carrying a stick and when it is a firearm.

Good practice as it is usually before or during the beginning of the duck season.

One day I plan to try pheasant again possibly in Tasmania. I also am planning to breed some pheasant myself and possibly partridge and guinea-fowl. But some things to get out the way before I can start that.

I shoot a lot of rabbits with a shotgun. The dog loves them. When I shoot for humans I prefer to head shoot them with a .22 or .22 Mag (or my .222 bolt action - get the need for a 12g / .222 combination ).

I strongly prefer a good 8x scope on a .222 rifle though even a .22 Magnum for head shooting bunnies. 1x is Ok for a shotgun, but an 8x for a .222. A problem.



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Re: Using a 1x scope on a shotgun-rifle combination [Re: 500Nitro]
      #33327 - 18/06/05 11:13 AM

Yes, well I'm still waiting for my invitation....

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Re: Using a 1x scope on a shotgun-rifle combination [Re: Marty]
      #33331 - 18/06/05 02:30 PM

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Yes, well I'm still waiting for my invitation....




Marty

Good idea.

Hey 500Nitro, what about a NE group duck shoot to help out the rice farmers. Hint hint.

BTW what species are the most common - blackies, grey teal, woodies ?



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Re: Using a 1x scope on a shotgun-rifle combination [Re: NitroX]
      #33348 - 18/06/05 11:15 PM

Good on you John. I guess this is another apology letter I have to write.

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