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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: lancaster]
      #331397 - 19/08/19 05:21 PM

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the worker's not allways bringing bear into the factory and this was not meaning single bottles.


Did they really drink finnish beer ?

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Igorrock]
      #331401 - 19/08/19 06:09 PM

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the worker's not allways bringing bear into the factory and this was not meaning single bottles.


Did they really drink finnish beer ?




Ha ha. I think Lancaster does well with English. I think bringing bears into the factory would be quite disruptive as well.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 3DogMike]
      #331402 - 19/08/19 06:14 PM

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Iíve seen plenty of unmolested great conditon rifles drilled for a scope. I die a little inside each time.




I am of the same mind....sacrilege.
- Mike




An alternative view might be that if it allows some old rifles to actually be used, in the field, for hunting, to be fitted with a scope, then that is to the good. All these lovely old rifles filling gun safes, sometimes hundreds for a collector to me is a great shame as well.

Some hunters still can and do use open sights. Many today don't or can't. I dread the day, when I can no longer use open sights. So of my rifles, are ONLY open sights. And would need new examples to be acquired to allow modern optics of some sort to be substituted.

Some old vintage rifles, especially rook rifles and those of smaller calibre, such as .22's of sorts, do really benefit from having modern precise aiming sights available. In my youth I could crawl a hundred metres to shoot a rabbit in the head at 7 metres. Not so today.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: NitroX]
      #331405 - 19/08/19 06:21 PM

Plenty of say .425ís that are already drilled, get one of them, donít buy one that isnít and drill it.. thatís my point.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Igorrock]
      #331420 - 20/08/19 12:32 AM

Quote:

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the worker's not allways bringing bear into the factory and this was not meaning single bottles.


Did they really drink finnish beer ?




you got me early in the morning

dont like pils I remember drinking a beer only made from rye in finland, was very good.





it seems in the 19. century drinking beer at work was very common and you were realy in trouble if you try to forbid it

in 1873 there was a so called beer riot in Frankfurt a. Main / Germany with the military shooting and 20 men dead because the brewerys put up the price from 4 to 4 1/2 Kreuzer. the best known but not the only incident.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: lancaster]
      #331422 - 20/08/19 01:47 AM

What's the favourite beer in Aussie-land?

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Daryl_S]
      #331431 - 20/08/19 04:03 AM

in Springfield its Duff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqfLOJGS_7o

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: lancaster]
      #331438 - 20/08/19 06:25 AM

Great Northern - more so up here in North Queensland (NQ)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_Brewing_Co.

Not sure what the 'Mexicans' drink down South, Victoria Bitter for Victorians & Tooheys beer for the New South Welshmen I guess?????
Bet I get a bite here!


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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Daryl_S]
      #331450 - 20/08/19 01:09 PM

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What's the favourite beer in Aussie-land?




Among knowledgeable Aussies such as South Australians, Coopers Brewery is one of the better ones.

And while I make no claim to it being anything like a best, there is a famous named beer as well, "Hahn".

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: NitroX]
      #331504 - 21/08/19 09:14 PM

XXXX Gold is the most popular mid strength Beer and I believe Victoria Bitter is the most popular full strength Beer in Australia

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: MickoC]
      #331505 - 21/08/19 09:19 PM

XXXX is good for a social brew, Iím a big fan of Carlton Blacks personally.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: NitroX]
      #331510 - 21/08/19 11:24 PM

Quote:

Quote:

What's the favourite beer in Aussie-land?




Among knowledgeable Aussies such as South Australians, Coopers Brewery is one of the better ones.

And while I make no claim to it being anything like a best, there is a famous named beer as well, "Hahn".




Of course, there is. Next spring, I should have a month or so to test out ALL of your claims.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Daryl_S]
      #331521 - 22/08/19 12:04 AM

Hold up! Daryl you coming over? Will you have any time in south east Queensland?

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Ash]
      #331527 - 22/08/19 04:22 AM

Right then.......away from beer for just a moment.

Cogswell & Harrison....no luck.
Have heard back from Cogswell & Harrison and they have no records for rifles made by other makers and then marked/retailed by Cogswell & Harrison.
They say that all their rifles were 5 digit serial numbers while this one is 4 digit.

By the "Cogswell & Harrison, Ltd." barrel stamp it would indicate procured and stamped by them on or after 1932.

Unknown so far if this would be a Vickers-Armstrongs made rifle or if it came from the trade; have found no other markings, save proof marks, on the rifle.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 3DogMike]
      #331575 - 22/08/19 11:43 PM

Youíll just have to send it to me then, what a shame

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Ash]
      #331580 - 23/08/19 01:22 AM

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Youíll just have to send it to me then, what a shame




I will get right on it!

-or-
Just pop on across the Pacific Ocean to visit "The Peoples Republic of Colorado" and shoot til the ammo is gone (then drink beer).

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: lancaster]
      #332197 - 11/09/19 11:52 AM

Mike, I have a pair of Vickers .318 express rifles that are dead ringers for yours. #3509 and 4069. The bolt handles are nicely turned down military handles. I bought the first one from Thad Scott back in the early eighties and it shoots well and I took it to Tanzania for plains game. The other I bought from Cabelas and unfortunately, in its past, it had been rebored to 35 Whelen, most likely due to lack of .330 dia bullets. In an attempt to bring it back to its British roots, I rechambered it to 350 Rigby mag and it shoots well with 225 gr. Noslers. Congratulations on your rare bird! If I had seen it, I would have bought it in a heartbeat! Your rifle is in good hands with Steve, if you need pics of the bolt handles for accurate reproduction, drop me a PM. Lee.

Edited by Lee440 (12/09/19 12:31 AM)


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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Lee440]
      #332218 - 12/09/19 02:51 AM

Hello Lee,
Thanks for chiming in. The rifle is with Steve getting looked after; replacement bolt and sympathetic cosmetic restoration are underway. Iím looking forward to this old lady returning to her younger self.
Interesting that yours have serial numbers that bracket this .242
- Mike

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: lancaster]
      #336148 - 05/01/20 08:16 AM

Cleaned up and ready for marmot season. The bolt position was dictated by the factory stock relief.









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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: bouldersmith]
      #336149 - 05/01/20 08:39 AM

Yahoo.....now to see what she'll do!

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 93x64mm]
      #336151 - 05/01/20 08:47 AM

Hope to get over to Steve's place to pick it up this coming week, depending upon weather.

Marmots.....almost as dangerous as the Monty Python "Killer Rabbit", will have my .577 along in case of a charge.
Right now my shooting spots are under about 2 feet of snow.
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 3DogMike]
      #336155 - 05/01/20 09:59 AM

Looks good Mike, looking forward to hearing how it shoots.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #336380 - 09/01/20 03:48 PM

Sheís back home and looking every bit the classic ď30ís GalĒ. Unlike a real flesh and blood, this old lady has not aged a day!
Weather, internet, and IMGUR willIng I will post a couple of pictures later this week.
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: lancaster]
      #336446 - 11/01/20 02:57 PM

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in Springfield its Duff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqfLOJGS_7o




I just happen to have 1x Can of Duff Beer.
It was made here in Oz (Not under license), ........... until they were told by an American Legal Firm, told to stop.
I reckon James Boags, Premium Lager, make/is The Best beer on the planet.
I'm not by myself either, as it was voted Best Larger in the World, at least once.

As for the Vickers .242 - Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Donuts!
And there is nothing new in the world.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: NitroX]
      #336448 - 11/01/20 03:39 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Iíve seen plenty of unmolested great conditon rifles drilled for a scope. I die a little inside each time.




I am of the same mind....sacrilege.
- Mike




An alternative view might be that if it allows some old rifles to actually be used, in the field, for hunting, to be fitted with a scope, then that is to the good. All these lovely old rifles filling gun safes, sometimes hundreds for a collector to me is a great shame as well.

Some hunters still can and do use open sights. Many today don't or can't. I dread the day, when I can no longer use open sights. So of my rifles, are ONLY open sights. And would need new examples to be acquired to allow modern optics of some sort to be substituted.

Some old vintage rifles, especially rook rifles and those of smaller calibre, such as .22's of sorts, do really benefit from having modern precise aiming sights available. In my youth I could crawl a hundred metres to shoot a rabbit in the head at 7 metres. Not so today.





Some hunters still can and do use open sights. Many today don't or can't. I dread the day, when I can no longer use open sights. So of my rifles, are ONLY open sights. And would need new examples to be acquired to allow modern optics of some sort to be substituted.

I saw on a recent thread the milling of unobstrusive grooves in the rear sight allowing a dot sight to be installed there. Now while the dot might be a star and not a nice round dot, regulative might not be affected too much. Allowing such rifles as my .450 No.2 NE to still be used. I still can use it, but have been told of severe future eye problems in a decade or two. Not looking forward to it. And will shooting of heavy recoiling firearms be possible after surgery one day? Must do as much as I can in the meantime. One never knows what happens tomorrow anyway.

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