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375 H&H... Failure again???
      #332073 - 09/09/19 12:19 AM

https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/375-h...KRRi_Wr-UDCxfZw

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Ripp]
      #332076 - 09/09/19 12:46 AM

from article:

Quote:


Don’t try to compensate for poor shooting with a bigger magnum.




Pretty much sums up the message

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: tinker]
      #332077 - 09/09/19 01:03 AM

Quote:

from article:

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Don’t try to compensate for poor shooting with a bigger magnum.




Pretty much sums up the message



Agree-- and yes, how many of us have seen the guy in Africa or elsewhere who thinks because its a "magnum" you just need to hit them.. or can't shoot the rifle because of lack of preparation and flinch??? I have seen that A LOT

Was on a Tur hunt in Azerbaijan.. Russian gentleman there with a man-servant.. "let you draw your own conclusions there".. anyway.. was packing a massive .50 Cal.. in my short time there he has missed 7 tur with that thing.. 7..

My PH told me of another guy in Zim who missed a buff at 50-70 yards.. 3 times.. standing in the open.. WTF???

Anyway.. I agree..

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Ripp]
      #332080 - 09/09/19 01:43 AM

Happens here too as Art noted.

We had one group come in for an archery moose hunt. Normally, after the morning hunt, we return to camp, grab our own bows shoot foam silhouette targets with the hunters until lunch, then usually for a short time afterwards before heading out for the afternoon hunt.

One group 7 only one, would not shoot with us - AT ALL - before long, we found the reason was quite simple - they were one and all lousy shots.

Had a couple friends from Texas come up on fall. Both were really good shots, while one of them, Buff (dad named him when a baby - Big Ugly Fat F---er), a really big guy was shooting a 75 pound black Widow recurve. Said they were making him a 150 pound set of limbs for his next trip to Africa for Cape Buffalo. He shot the 75 pounder like it was a target bow. I just love shooting with lads like that.

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: DarylS]
      #332087 - 09/09/19 04:16 AM

I just did 26km, 30000 steps behind a Eland shot by my hunter with a .375H&H at 8:15am & I shot it at 5:46pm also with a .375 ( I normally would of had my .458 but too far back to the house) it was shot in the middle (low) as most of the hunters do !

I only had a running Ass shot & had to be sure it was the same animal as they were three, took a risk it was the tail end one !

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Sarg]
      #332100 - 09/09/19 08:42 AM

You can also take the shot placement argument to the extreme. Say this thread on he Hide a while ago. Some guy was looking for caliber advice for 500-700yd deer and elk. Most recommendations were sane, the guy advocating shot placement and how great the 223 with a 60gr Vmax is on elk? Not so much.

http://forum.snipershide.com/threads/500-700-elk-deer-lightest-recoil.6955212/

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Sarg]
      #332121 - 10/09/19 04:11 AM

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I just did 26km, 30000 steps behind a Eland shot by my hunter with a .375H&H at 8:15am & I shot it at 5:46pm also with a .375 ( I normally would of had my .458 but too far back to the house) it was shot in the middle (low) as most of the hunters do !

I only had a running Ass shot & had to be sure it was the same animal as they were three, took a risk it was the tail ended !



Wow..THAT is a long haul after a wounded animal.. great job in retrieving it..

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Ripp]
      #332128 - 10/09/19 08:22 AM

My PH in Namibia told me about a bloke using a 700Nitro on Elephant. Total was around 5 hits with the 700 and a couple with a 458 Lott and lots of tracking.

I think most would agree that shot placement with a bullet that will go the distance is what is needed to put an animal down. The animal may cover some distance be it drops but it will drop. Yes there are exceptions with some hit with small calibres or FMJ's through the lungs only but they are rare.

So the question is did the 375 fail or did the shooter fail? Think we know the answer to that.

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Rule303]
      #332141 - 10/09/19 11:13 AM

Bro and I spent the day at our long range today, testing sights and loads in our 9.3x57 (his) along with my 9.3x62 (new Zastava bl.) and my .375/06IMP with new muzzle brake, not 28" bl. length with brake.

It used to jump 8" up off the front rest and make my groups 3 1/2" high unless I held onto the forend. Now, the stock recoils straight back - no climb with same poi held or not. Kinda neat.

He's shooting a load of mine with 285gr. Norma Alaskans running about 2,200fps, and I am running 300gr. RN Norma and Hornady Interbonds in my .375 IMP. My 9.3 is running some 250gr. Original Style Barns spitzers at about 2,600fps. not a hot load, but decent.

With his 286's and my 300's. we were hammering the 14" x 16" AR500 plates at 300 meters off hand. Loads of fun.

i also shot the M70 Winchester '06 with 180SST's running 2,745fps. Still running under an inch at 100 meters and easily hitting the 300 meter (328 yards) plate offhand. The plate is much smaller than an elk or moose kill area. 300meters is my limit on big game as it's easy and no guess work. We both carry pocket range finders.

The reason and lesson here, is to use what you are going to hunt with and become proficient with it BEFORE the hunt.

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Ripp]
      #332147 - 10/09/19 02:04 PM

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I just did 26km, 30000 steps behind a Eland shot by my hunter with a .375H&H at 8:15am & I shot it at 5:46pm also with a .375 ( I normally would of had my .458 but too far back to the house) it was shot in the middle (low) as most of the hunters do !

I only had a running Ass shot & had to be sure it was the same animal as they were three, took a risk it was the tail end one !



Wow..THAT is a long haul after a wounded animal.. great job in retrieving it..



Thank you Ripp, we get this a lot but this guy (and his 9yr son + Raven R20) wounded a lot of animals, Zebra, Waterbuck,Impala,Wildabeest, my trackers hated him & I didn’t think much of him either !

He was/is a Spanish Bullfighter !

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Ripp]
      #332157 - 10/09/19 07:36 PM

Quote:

https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/375-h...KRRi_Wr-UDCxfZw



Article was pretty much crap again. With a controversial title to get a tabloid type attention and beat up.

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: NitroX]
      #332164 - 10/09/19 11:44 PM

Quote:

Quote:

https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/375-h...KRRi_Wr-UDCxfZw



Article was pretty much crap again. With a controversial title to get a tabloid type attention and beat up.



Spoomer is a bit of a blow hole..

Agree-- guess the point of the article is/was no matter how dear you hold your cartridge whether that be a 375H&H, 270W. 7x57, 303Britsh, etc.. shot placement is still above all..

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Ripp]
      #332393 - 15/09/19 07:48 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/375-h...KRRi_Wr-UDCxfZw



Article was pretty much crap again. With a controversial title to get a tabloid type attention and beat up.



Spoomer is a bit of a blow hole..




Utterly useless cartridge ; 9.5x73 Miller Greiss and the succeeding cartidges based on non-belted cases are much better and sucessfull (375 Blaser, 375-404, 375 Rem ultra mag, 375 Dakota, 375 RCM. 375/404 Almaktoom etc.) .375H&H lacks the case volume and shoulder angle to produce sucess afield... 9,3x70 DWM is far superior

I would say American gunrag writers, with a few exceptions, are "blow holes".

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Yochanan]
      #332400 - 16/09/19 04:01 AM

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Utterly useless cartridge ; 9.5x73 Miller Greiss and the succeeding cartridges based on non-belted cases are much better and successfull (375 Blaser, 375-404, 375 Rem ultra mag, 375 Dakota, 375 RCM. 375/404 Almaktoom etc.) .375H&H lacks the case volume and shoulder angle to produce success afield... 9,3x70 DWM is far superior



Actually, the 9.5x68 is MUCH better than all of them & the .375/06IMP a close second, just in case opinions have any bearing .

second best:



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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: DarylS]
      #332407 - 16/09/19 06:08 AM

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Utterly useless cartridge ; 9.5x73 Miller Greiss and the succeeding cartridges based on non-belted cases are much better and successfull (375 Blaser, 375-404, 375 Rem ultra mag, 375 Dakota, 375 RCM. 375/404 Almaktoom etc.) .375H&H lacks the case volume and shoulder angle to produce success afield... 9,3x70 DWM is far superior



Actually, the 9.5x68 is MUCH better than all of them & the .375/06IMP a close second, just in case opinions have any bearing .

second best:





I recon the 338/358RUM is a good contender. 225 grain projectile at 3100fps so those based on the 404J case are the winners in my opinion but still love the 375H&H

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Rule303]
      #332416 - 16/09/19 01:18 PM

Yeah a cartridge which has ruled the big game rifle world for over a hundred years and is probably the most common big game rifle chambering is crap, while dozens of wannabes, unknown, dead, deceased, cartridges no one uses, you can't buy as ammo, dies, brass, and no one makes rifles for are the successors.

I think when I hunt in Namibia, Mozambique, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Australia, NT, USA, Alaska, UK, Germany, Sweden, Russia, I think I know which cartridge I would have some chance in acquiring ammo for if ever needed ....

Not a Blaser, not a Dakoka, not a Ultra clean and bright washing powder cartridge, btw do they still exist, don't even hear about them from the magazine touts anymore ....

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: NitroX]
      #332417 - 16/09/19 01:21 PM

BTW people wanting big game cartridges with sharp shoulders and straight sided case sides are IMO tools, who shoot paper targets too much. I LIKE the sloping case walls. Why? Because these cartridges extract better in hot humid climates, and when Mr Bovine or Dumbo is bearing down to stamp on your head, I prefer a cartridge which extracts and loads well. Not some tool's dream of "ballistic efficiency".

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: NitroX]
      #332423 - 17/09/19 02:07 AM

LOL

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: DarylS]
      #332432 - 17/09/19 04:53 AM

“..... not a Ultra clean and bright washing powder cartridge,.....”

“.....I prefer a cartridge which extracts and loads well. Not some tool's dream of "ballistic efficiency". .....”

LOL times two! That made me spew my coffee out my nose and onto the keyboard.

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: 3DogMike]
      #332433 - 17/09/19 05:59 AM

Coffee isn't as bad as beer in the keyboard, especially if there is no sugar in the coffee.

I used the wrong powder once in my first .375 IMP., years ago when I was just starting into the realm of wildcats.
This resulted in a pressure excursion which actually melted part of the ctg. base & spewed molten brass onto the bolt face & blew the bottom metal out of the stock.

The ctg. extracted normally, not even sticky in the slightest.
Of course, it was in a Mauser 98 action.

The only time I have ever had sticky extraction in modern ctgs., was with greatly tapered, inefficient and poorly designed cases like the .375H&H.

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: DarylS]
      #332451 - 17/09/19 05:33 PM

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The only time I have ever had sticky extraction in modern ctgs., was with greatly tapered, inefficient and poorly designed cases like the .375H&H.



Probably because you load your cartridges so hot, evidenced by the velocities you routinely post.

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: NitroX]
      #332462 - 17/09/19 11:42 PM

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Yeah a cartridge which has ruled the big game rifle world for over a hundred years and is probably the most common big game rifle chambering is crap, while dozens of wannabes, unknown, dead, deceased, cartridges no one uses, you can't buy as ammo, dies, brass, and no one makes rifles for are the successors.

I think when I hunt in Namibia, Mozambique, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Australia, NT, USA, Alaska, UK, Germany, Sweden, Russia, I think I know which cartridge I would have some chance in acquiring ammo for if ever needed ....

Not a Blaser, not a Dakoka, not a Ultra clean and bright washing powder cartridge, btw do they still exist, don't even hear about them from the magazine touts anymore ....



YES John, they still DO exist --I used my RUM's every year for elk season..
Also have taken my 300RUM on all of my trips to Africa for plains game.. in fact that rifle alone has accounted for 78 head of game in Africa.. and dozens of elk here in the US...

The 375 is crap, plain and simple.. old, slow and pathetically anemic in power.. POS actually...


In all seriousness, given the choice, if SHIT does hit the fan in African or anywhere else, the 375H&H would NOT be my first few choices.. It is a good all around caliber..good plains game rifle actually.. worked great in Cameroon ..and yes, the reason I took it was because of the ammo situation..I knew I was flying through France..so odds are either my gun, ammo or both would not show up..Even though I verified with the attendant at the boarding desk..she confirmed both were on.. NO, not so much..never saw my ammo again..weird.. every time I have flown through France there has been an issue with firearms.. no doubt some liberal douche bag doing their duty to save the world..

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: NitroX]
      #332464 - 17/09/19 11:43 PM

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The only time I have ever had sticky extraction in modern ctgs., was with greatly tapered, inefficient and poorly designed cases like the .375H&H.



Probably because you load your cartridges so hot, evidenced by the velocities you routinely post.



That is because he uses a tablespoon instead of a true measuring device..

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: Ripp]
      #332471 - 18/09/19 02:01 AM

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The only time I have ever had sticky extraction in modern ctgs., was with greatly tapered, inefficient and poorly designed cases like the .375H&H.



Probably because you load your cartridges so hot, evidenced by the velocities you routinely post.



That is because he uses a tablespoon instead of a true measuring device..



Ha ha. I am usually amazed by Daryl's achieved velocities. The air must in thinner up there?

My poor rifles of the same calibre are always much slower. Then again, once I have achieved a satisfactory hunting load, I rarely revisit it or look for an improvement.

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Re: 375 H&H... Failure again??? [Re: NitroX]
      #332476 - 18/09/19 02:54 AM

You missed the point I was making, but that is OK.:)
If my loads were too hot for the brass, my brass would not last me for 37 years. I'm still using the same brass in my 9.3x62 that I made up for it in 1982, along for 40 years in the .375/06IMP I made in 1979.

When I picked up my second .375/06IMP bl. I converted some of my 9.3x62 brass to that chambering simply by necking it up, loading it and fireforming it to the 40 degree shoulder.

If my loads were as hot as you think, my brass would not last for 20 to 30 shots. Both of these cases display minimum taper.

If the 9.3x62's shoulder "angle" was steeper, it would qualify as an Ackley Improved shape. The case already has a .454" shoulder diameter, not .451" as I have seen printed.

Both of mine have factory commercial chambers along with a Styer rifle in that caliber from which I have a couple fired Sako Factory loads, having .454" shoulders as well.

Just mull that over. My current RP and WW .22 Hornet brass has been loaded almost 12 times and 8 for the .17AH which was necked to .17 and fireformed to .17AH after 14 loadings as a .22 Hornet - & that is all since about the year 2002.

So perhaps THIS tool has an idea what he's doing & somewhat how case shape improves or hinders extraction.

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