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rpeck

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.256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher
#332029 - 07/09/19 11:49 PM

.256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher at Canadian auction. May be a takedown too.

https://www.icollector.com/George-Gibbs-1906-Steyr-Custom-Rifle_i34306199

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: rpeck]
#332032 - 08/09/19 01:37 AM

That is a very nice and complete example!
Your suspicion is correct, it is a takedown as well.

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rpeck

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: Huvius]
#332033 - 08/09/19 02:45 AM

I stopped bidding at $2500.....may jump back in...we shall see.

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: rpeck]
#332039 - 08/09/19 04:18 AM

That is a nice rifle. But it looks to me as if it has a repair at the wrist. Has it been broken, I wonder?

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rpeck

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: Carpetsahib]
#332044 - 08/09/19 04:40 AM

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That is a nice rifle. But it looks to me as if it has a repair at the wrist. Has it been broken, I wonder?

I have emailed the auction to inquire about any possible repaired crack.

By the way, this auction is in Canada and the prices are in Canadian dollars (.75 US), so $2500 (Can.) is approx. $1900(US).

Edited by rpeck (08/09/19 04:46 AM)

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: rpeck]
#332055 - 08/09/19 08:22 AM

Didn't notice that at first, but appears the stock was broken right off, through the wrist.

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: DarylS]
#332059 - 08/09/19 09:47 AM

Certainly a very nice rifle, I particularly like the scope mounts and the open sights.

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#332072 - 09/09/19 12:14 AM

Could be a break but I'm not sure that's a crack.
Could be marred checkering from having a zip tie or cable lock routed through the trigger guard and around the wrist too tightly.
I've seen checkering boogered up by this at gun shows.

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: rpeck]
#332086 - 09/09/19 04:15 AM

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rpeck

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: Huvius]
#332093 - 09/09/19 06:12 AM

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Could be a break but I'm not sure that's a crack.
Could be marred checkering from having a zip tie or cable lock routed through the trigger guard and around the wrist too tightly.
I've seen checkering boogered up by this at gun shows.

This seems likely to me...however I am waiting to hear back from the auction.

Does anyone have an idea how the takedown feature might work?

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: rpeck]
#332105 - 09/09/19 02:42 PM

Normally, on a takedown Mannlicher, the front action screw is backed out an the barrel can be unscrewed.

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: Huvius]
#332112 - 09/09/19 09:49 PM

Quote:

Could be a break but I'm not sure that's a crack.
Could be marred checkering from having a zip tie or cable lock routed through the trigger guard and around the wrist too tightly.
I've seen checkering boogered up by this at gun shows.

Hopefully, it is only marred checkering. Concerning the take-down feature, a photo of the underside of the rifle would be very enlightening.

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: Huvius]
#332115 - 10/09/19 01:12 AM

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Normally, on a takedown Mannlicher, the front action screw is backed out an the barrel can be unscrewed.

The rifle discussed here was built on a Mannlicher Schönauer 'Greek' action (modified to take .256 Gibbs) and is of a takedown system typical of Gibbs, as discussed in this thread: Gibbs Takedown MS

More about the 'Greek' MS and British sporting arms built from them: Y1903

The Steyr built Mannlicher Schönauer takedown models of M1900, M1903, M1905, M1908, M1910 were only chambered to their model specific proprietary cartridges and were of this design, similar to takedown rifles of Westley Richards:

Steyr Built M1903 'British Takedown'

From 1939 Stoeger catalog

Westley Richards, 1912

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: Carpetsahib]
#332116 - 10/09/19 01:25 AM

Looks broken right through the wrist cleanly and glued back together at one time. Maybe some reinforcement inside there, maybe not.
The auction clearly states "..The wrist has been professionally repaired.."

Nice rifle inspite of the repair, That issue could be redone and hidden so as not to be seen at all.

I have a similar 256 Gibbs Magnum on a 1903 M/S but the wood is plain, no grip cap, no front sight cover, it's not a TD and doesn't have anywhere near the condition this one does.
Mine does have an Aldis Bros 'scope in QD 'Vienna" (?) style mounts and the multi leaf rear bbl sight.
Exc bore. Shoots very nicely.
I make brass from 8x57MAuser using shortened 6.5 Swede dies and a .303 FL die to narrow the shoulder dia of the case which it needs.
The rifle laid on a gunshow table unloved for a Sat and 1/2 day Sunday looking for a buyer @ $250 IIRC till I spotted it. Couldn't believe my luck. I didn't even kick the tires.

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rpeck

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: 2152hq]
#332132 - 10/09/19 09:24 AM

Quote:

Looks broken right through the wrist cleanly and glued back together at one time. Maybe some reinforcement inside there, maybe not.
The auction clearly states "..The wrist has been professionally repaired.."

Note that the auction description statement, "The wrist has been professionally repaired" is a new addition. It did not appear in the original auction description. It only appeared after I inquired whether or not the wrist had been repaired.

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: rpeck]
#332202 - 11/09/19 02:15 PM

OK. it still looks like it was broken right through & then repaired just by looking at the pics..
They should have stated that up front of course.

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rpeck

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: 2152hq]
#332210 - 12/09/19 12:27 AM

I don't know about you fellows, but for me, any major stock crack, no matter how well repaired, seriously reduces my interest in a firearm.

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: rpeck]
#332228 - 12/09/19 07:11 AM

Depends on where it happened, if it was a break in the field while hunting it sort of adds to the history of the gun, but if it was broken in the post it does spoil the gun somewhat. I realise that it would be difficult to tell however.

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rpeck

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#332345 - 15/09/19 12:50 AM

I know that I have lost interest in owning this rifle. And I don't like the fact that the auction orginally did not mention the crack in their description.

Edited by rpeck (15/09/19 12:52 AM)

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rpeck

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: rpeck]
#332614 - 22/09/19 11:11 PM

It went for $2,500.00 (CAD) + 375.00 buyer's premium. + applicable fees & taxes. So the total will be well over $3000. (CAD)...that's approx. $2300. (US)....I would guess the final total cost will be close to $2500 (US).

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: rpeck]
#332636 - 23/09/19 10:58 AM

I love the styling of that rifle.

So that is a Greek Steyr / Mannlicher action?

What is the .256 Gibbs Magnum cartridge? How does it differ fro other .256 Cartridges such as the 6.5x54 M-S / 6.5x53R and 6.5x54 Mauser?

Will have a look at the takedown system and link mentioned.

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: NitroX]
#332637 - 23/09/19 01:29 PM

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So that is a Greek Steyr / Mannlicher action?

The stampings on the receiver identify it as such. It is marked 'Steyr 19xx' rather than 'Oesterr Waffenbr. Ges. Steyr' and has a military designation marked on the bridge rather than the commercial model number.

Many makers who made sporting arms of the 'Greek MS' removed these markings, this one did not.

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: Rothhammer1]
#332642 - 23/09/19 10:27 PM

Rocky Gibbs developed several wildcats based on the full length .30'06 case with minimum body taper, sharp shoulder, and very short neck.

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: JDL]
#332650 - 24/09/19 02:26 AM

I would say Rocky Gibbs is a very different deal from Gibbs Rifle Company UK ?

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Re: .256 Gibbs Magnum Mannlicher [Re: JDL]
#332659 - 24/09/19 04:12 AM

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Rocky Gibbs developed several wildcats based on the full length .30'06 case with minimum body taper, sharp shoulder, and very short neck.

His cases usually had slightly less taper than Ackley's I think.

Yes - Rocky Gibbs is/was not the UK gun maker, but a "wild-cater" in the USA.

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