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Ripp
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Luger--1917--Artillery.. with original Stock and Holster..
#331698 - 26/08/19 06:26 AM

A friend of mine stopped by yesterday to show off his latest purchase..

1917 Luger Artillery Model .. with original stock and holster.. believe this is #12 for him in terms of Lugers... seems to be a pretty cool find.. neat piece of history..

20190824_110218 by A Hoffart, on Flickr

20190824_110224 by A Hoffart, on Flickr

20190824_110249 by A Hoffart, on Flickr

20190824_110244 by A Hoffart, on Flickr

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Re: Luger--1917--Artillery.. with original Stock and Holster.. [Re: Ripp]
#331717 - 26/08/19 08:06 PM

That looks like quite a nice one!!!

Thanks for showing it.

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Re: Luger--1917--Artillery.. with original Stock and Holster.. [Re: CptCurl]
#331721 - 27/08/19 12:29 AM

looks excellent, the ari,we call it this way, is a dangerous gun. when I had one there was also a military range with man size targets on 50, 100, 150 and 200 meter available. laying on the ground and without fiddling on the rear sight every bullet was bringing one target down up to 200 meter, allways.
had a C96 with shoulder stock in 9 mm too and it was the same with this pistol

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Re: Luger--1917--Artillery.. with original Stock and Holster.. [Re: lancaster]
#331728 - 27/08/19 05:50 AM

One seriously cool piece of history there!
Would be worth every penny.....& a considerable lot at that!

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Re: Luger--1917--Artillery.. with original Stock and Holster.. [Re: 93x64mm]
#331738 - 27/08/19 07:03 PM

So why a longer barrel on an "artillery" model? Was this a firearm for self defence if the arty battery was over run? And a more effective longer barrel was desired but still a handgun so it could be carried while operating artillery?

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Re: Luger--1917--Artillery.. with original Stock and Holster.. [Re: NitroX]
#331741 - 27/08/19 11:24 PM

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So why a longer barrel on an "artillery" model? Was this a firearm for self defence if the arty battery was over run? And a more effective longer barrel was desired but still a handgun so it could be carried while operating artillery?

I am NOT luger expert by any means.. my buddy is, not me..

Found this on-line ..

The Artillary Luger or Lange Pistole 08 was formally adopted by the armies of Prussia, Saxony and Wurttemberg in June 1913. The pistol was to be used by non-commissioned officers and men of the infantry and artillery munitions columns to replace their revolvers.

The pistol could be used with a board-type shoulder stock and although the claimed accuracy at 600 metres was a bit optimistic, it was certainly preferred to the bolt action carbine, being shorter and semi-automatic. It appears to have been a natural progression from the shorter barrelled P08 to aid accuracy at extended ranges and so would have been used to complement longarm conflict situations.

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Re: Luger--1917--Artillery.. with original Stock and Holster.. [Re: NitroX]
#331744 - 28/08/19 12:36 AM

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So why a longer barrel on an "artillery" model? Was this a firearm for self defence if the arty battery was over run? And a more effective longer barrel was desired but still a handgun so it could be carried while operating artillery?

that was the idea before the great war, to give artilleryman a gun he could allways carry and if in need assemble in a moment and fight off an cavalry charge because the carbines were not allways on hand but laying on the limber

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Re: Luger--1917--Artillery.. with original Stock and Holster.. [Re: lancaster]
#331763 - 28/08/19 09:01 PM

Thanks Ripp and Lancaster. It makes sense.

I note this Luger does not have the 'button' on the back of the grip needing to be depressed for the Luger to fire. How easy or hard does this make such a Luger to fire? I think it would be annoying.

These evil little handguns with the evil buttstocks able to be attached if the two are put together would be untrustable in such an untrustworthy law abiding Australian as I.

Making a handgun into an evil semi auto carbine.

I would love one of these with all the setup. As well as a Mauser with a similar setup. My guess is if I never assembled them, I might be legally OK.

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Re: Luger--1917--Artillery.. with original Stock and Holster.. [Re: NitroX]
#331796 - 30/08/19 11:53 PM

The most "evil" of all Luger semi-auto carbines:

From the thread I posted a while back: DWM Mod. 1902 Parabellum Carbine ~ 50100

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Re: Luger--1917--Artillery.. with original Stock and Holster.. [Re: CptCurl]
#331830 - 02/09/19 05:29 AM

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I note this Luger does not have the 'button' on the back of the grip needing to be depressed for the Luger to fire.

The German military Lugers, the Pistole 08,the Lange Pistle 08 and the navy Pistole 04, never had that grip safety of the earlier Luger models like the Swiss models 1900, 1900/06, 1906/29 and some commercial models.
Though intended originally for the field artillery, these long barreled, shoulder stocked pistols were rarely issued to them. In late 1915 the German military had a better idea. A bulky 32 shot snail drum magazine was developed to fit these pistols. Subsequently these pistols, each one with five such high capacity magazines in addition to the three regular 8 shot ones, were issued to selected infantry units like Sturmtruppen for fighting in the trenches of WW1. Though semi-auto only, these "pistols" gave a lot of short range firepower. In this use they were the tactical predecessors of the submachine gun. What would you prefer for fighting in the trenches of WW1: A shoulder stocked, 6 shot Webley revolver with a short bayonet or one of these quick reloadable 32 shot shoulder stocked pistols? The German army tried in vain to convert these pistols to full auto. Instead, they introduced Hugo Schmeisser's MP 18, the first operational true submachine gun, to replace it at the end of the great war. Apparently the allies feared these long barreled, stocked, high capacity pistols, as there was a provision in the Versailles "peace treaty": Germans were not allowed to make or own pistols with barrels of 10 cm or longer and/or calibers of 9mm or larger. Today, these pistols and the snail drum magazines even more so are very rare in Germany.
You may learn more about the Lange Pistole 08 from this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRAupWi5IcI&t=185s

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