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chapmen
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Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question....
      #331223 - 16/08/19 04:15 AM

I just had the luck to get an Mm410, SN 45043.
The bolt has an fixture that i have never seen before on the early models, but maybe on this model Mm410 it was usual?





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Edited by chapmen (16/08/19 04:18 AM)

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Re: Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question.... [Re: chapmen]
      #331224 - 16/08/19 06:03 AM

Voere & Anschutz I've seen & heard of a few; but I've never seen a Mauser .22LR before - especially here in North Queensland!
Lovely little piece their Chapmen.

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Re: Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question.... [Re: 93x64mm]
      #331242 - 16/08/19 06:59 PM

Chapmen

My experience of Mauser .22 rimfire rifles is much limited – I have owned a MAS 45 (Mauser 45 – posted at http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post330223 ) for years and I was very lucky two days ago to get delivered a Mauser 410 B Sporter (post-1940 period, S/N 222397, I will present it at a later stage on the Forum) much similar to your own Mauser 410 B Sporter S/N 220453 (but the stock on mine has a later type Sporter stock) presented on your website at http://www.jagdwaffensammler.de/mauser-kleinkaliberbuechsen/mauser-mm-410b.html .

My comments will therefore mainly be based on Jon Speed’s “Mauser – Smallbores sporting, target & training rifles”:
- According to the photos you have posted and to your rifle’s serial number, your recently acquired model is Model 410, built from around 1931; cf. pages 34-36 of the above-mentioned book (version 1998).
- Models 410 B, which were built at a later stage, in the post-1940 era, are different beasts with different actions and magazine release systems; cf. pages 89-95 on Jon Speed’s book.
- That’s therefore normal that your new Model 410 is different from your Model 410 B as, apart from bearing the same “410” type number, both models differ a lot in conception.

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Re: Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question.... [Re: Louis]
      #331244 - 16/08/19 10:10 PM

Thats right, the Mm410 and Mm410B are completely different.

So the question is if the first series .22 with this small bolt shown in my pic ever had the feature that you see in the pic. I have had quite a lot of first series, but never have seen on with this bolt feature, other thing is that the Mm410 is very rare and for me this is the first example that i have in hands. So i dont know if this bolt feature is found on other first series .22 s.....

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Re: Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question.... [Re: chapmen]
      #331253 - 17/08/19 02:44 AM

Apologies for the misunderstanding; sorry but I am not qualified to answer your question.
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Re: Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question.... [Re: Louis]
      #331257 - 17/08/19 03:40 AM

IMO bespoke rifle is model MS420. https://www.thamesvalleyguns.co.uk/MauserMs420.pdf

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Re: Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question.... [Re: Igorrock]
      #331290 - 17/08/19 04:35 PM

Get an closer look on both, Mm410 and MS420 are different models of the first series .22s.

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Re: Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question.... [Re: chapmen]
      #331292 - 17/08/19 04:59 PM


From the 1939 Stoeger catalog:



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Re: Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question.... [Re: chapmen]
      #331293 - 17/08/19 05:55 PM

Quote:

I just had the luck to get an Mm410, SN 45043.
The bolt has an fixture that i have never seen before on the early models, but maybe on this model Mm410 it was usual?







Here you go. A thread with the model. Can't answer your question right now though.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=266021&an=&page=0&vc=1



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Re: Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question.... [Re: NitroX]
      #331294 - 17/08/19 05:58 PM

My rifle has a different rear sight to yours and to the catalogue as well.

The bolt looks familiar.

Not at home at the moment, so can't have a look.

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Re: Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question.... [Re: NitroX]
      #331297 - 17/08/19 06:14 PM

Thanks for the input, but......
things are going a little bit over and under.........

There are two main series of .22 by mauser, the first series with an small bolt as patented by Feederle- thats the series i am looking for, and in this series only for the model Mm410, as shown in my pic.

The second series appears in the middle of the 1930 and was called the "B" series, the bolt is completely different. ( these series is shown in the posted stoger catalog site).

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Re: Looking for Mauser Mm410 owners with question.... [Re: chapmen]
      #331352 - 18/08/19 07:13 PM

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things are going a little bit over and under.........

the series i am looking for, and in this series only for the model Mm410, as shown in my pic.





Here's thread from another 'site, six years ago, with the same question you have (and several photos of such bolt). Scroll to post #5: K98k Forum

The rifle in that post is identified as S/N 45625, only 582 after yours.

An answer (from a moderator of said 'site) posted as being forwarded from Jon Speed (author of Mauser Smallbores):

Conveying Herr Speed's remarks:
"This Plunger unit appears to simply affect directly the firing pin movement as bolt is opened and closed. Its function is a little like the lock plunger on a 98 bolt sleeve unit from a mechanical point only. Its a Plunger activated by contact with parts of the system as the bolt rotates ! It would appear at thiis late stage 1933/34 that the Mauser folks were trying out one last concept for this generation that would soon phase out as the B series came on line."



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