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PapaScarface
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What animal screams 303b to you?
      #330851 - 05/08/19 10:02 AM

Hello brains trust!

Today I woke up thinking long and hard that once my lee speed mock up sporter is finished being built I should look into having some engraving done. So my question is, what animal best represents the 303 British to you? My feeling is as an Aussie that a Red deer would best the 303. No doubt countless reds have fallen to the 303 in Aus, NZ and the UK.
Is there a species that screams 303 British to you?


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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: PapaScarface]
      #330853 - 05/08/19 11:49 AM

The 303 was the mainstay of African hunting for so long and for so many different game animals, you could hardly go wrong choosing almost anything as a pairing for the 303.
For me, purely from imagination, the medium antelopes just seem ready made for the performance of the 303.
I could envision a Lee Speed 303 engraved with a Lesser Kudu on the magazine and maybe a Grantís or Tommy somewhere on the action, butt or grip cap.

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: Huvius]
      #330854 - 05/08/19 01:27 PM

I always think Africa too.
Any of those big crazy looking African ungulates.

Also Elk.
And deer on foggy Scottish hillsides.

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: tinker]
      #330861 - 05/08/19 06:57 PM

For me it's all Africa. Antelopes and Lions would be my choice. While plenty of hunters used 303's in Australia and New Zealand they were normally sporterised SMLE's rather than a true Lee-Speed.

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #330862 - 05/08/19 07:27 PM

Any game animal from the Empire would be applicable. UK, Canada, Africa, India, Malaysia, Australia & NZ.
My choice for a Lee Speed would be something from India. Sambar, Leopard & or Tiger.

Or just leave it plain.

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: Rod4861]
      #330863 - 05/08/19 07:56 PM

In eastern Canada, the answer is simple and immediate: moose!

People traditionally used .30-30 for whitetail deer, but many many hunters at one time used a sporterized .303 for moose. Of course, if the hunter was also a rifle looney, all bets were off. As disposable income has increased over the years since the great wars, and the large numbers of very cheap surplus rifles and ammo have also diminished, the .303 has faded.


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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: Postman]
      #330868 - 06/08/19 12:00 AM

LOL - when I read the title of this thread, I said "MOOSE, then thought 215gr. RN KKSP". BC, of course.

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: Daryl_S]
      #330871 - 06/08/19 02:54 AM

The .303 British was the first center-fired rifle I ever owned.. open sights used it for whitetail for years..

If I were to take one to Africa it seems it would work great on everything from impala to eland.. with the correct bullets.. otherwise on the smaller stuff the damage to meat/hides would be to great..

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: Daryl_S]
      #330872 - 06/08/19 03:03 AM

Tiger! When I think of a Lee Speed, India immediately comes to mind. I once had an Indian classmate, who told me that his father's trophy room was carpeted with tiger skins. When I asked him what caliber rifle his father used, he replied ".303 of course! Ammunition is hard to come by, so he used military surplus. Solids, of course." When I asked him where his father aimed, thinking he would say chest or shoulder, instead he said, "Right between the eyes. Ammunition is expensive and he couldn't afford to expend more than one shot per tiger."

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: xausa]
      #330875 - 06/08/19 07:30 AM

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Tiger! When I think of a Lee Speed, India immediately comes to mind. I once had an Indian classmate, who told me that his father's trophy room was carpeted with tiger skins. When I asked him what caliber rifle his father used, he replied ".303 of course! Ammunition is hard to come by, so he used military surplus. Solids, of course." When I asked him where his father aimed, thinking he would say chest or shoulder, instead he said, "Right between the eyes. Ammunition is expensive and he couldn't afford to expend more than one shot per tiger."




That's an awesome story...

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: Ripp]
      #330882 - 06/08/19 01:57 PM

Yes, it is.

Friend of mine had me chamber a .308" groove dia. barrel to chamber standard .303 factory ammo. After doing that, he found it didn't like the 220gr. Hornady's he wanted to use, but shot right around 1/2" with 150gr. Hornady Interbond bullets. He used that load, running 2,750fps for his long range deer - WT and Muley bucks, both taken at 100 to 110yards, as well as his 120yard moose and 415yard bull elk. All, 1 shot each. That's one fall's hunting - lots of meat in the freezer for family and local relatives.
150gr. .308's and .303's, if a decent bullet, do the job if placed correctly. They will not fail. He told me the elk took 3 or 4 steps - he wasn't sure, then dropped.
Seems my (& his) preferred heavier bullet weights were not needed - at all.

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: Ripp]
      #330892 - 07/08/19 02:53 AM

This was in 1967, when I was a student in the Goethe Institut in Murnau, Bavaria. I don't think I ever knew Mr. Mukerji's first name (and probably couldn't have pronounced it if I had). I was one of a class which consisted of me as the only American, a Polish lady, a French lady, a Swede, a Belgian and a Norwegian. German was the only language used in the classes. I spent twelve weeks there and came away with an improved knowledge of spoken German and a bride (one of the instructors).

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: xausa]
      #330894 - 07/08/19 03:00 AM

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This was in 1967, when I was a student in the Goethe Institut in Murnau, Bavaria. I don't think I ever knew Mr. Mukerji's first name (and probably couldn't have pronounced it if I had). I was one of a class which consisted of me as the only American, a Polish lady, a French lady, a Swede, a Belgian and a Norwegian. German was the only language used in the classes. I spent twelve weeks there and came away with an improved knowledge of spoken German and a bride (one of the instructors).




Sounds like a busy 12 weeks...

Congrats... Love Germany..have only been there twice..but beautiful country..

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #330903 - 07/08/19 06:21 AM

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For me it's all Africa. Antelopes and Lions would be my choice. While plenty of hunters used 303's in Australia and New Zealand they were normally sporterised SMLE's rather than a true Lee-Speed.

Matt.




No matter how much you think about it, this is really the crux of it all!
Man-Eaters Of Tsavo
In my humble opinion, yes this nails it!


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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: 93x64mm]
      #330904 - 07/08/19 07:23 AM

Quote:

Quote:

For me it's all Africa. Antelopes and Lions would be my choice. While plenty of hunters used 303's in Australia and New Zealand they were normally sporterised SMLE's rather than a true Lee-Speed.

Matt.




No matter how much you think about it, this is really the crux of it all!
Man-Eaters Of Tsavo
In my humble opinion, yes this nails it!




Agree..and who are located in a museum in Chicago..
Saw them several years ago..

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: 93x64mm]
      #330913 - 07/08/19 07:18 PM

Quote:

Quote:

For me it's all Africa. Antelopes and Lions would be my choice. While plenty of hunters used 303's in Australia and New Zealand they were normally sporterised SMLE's rather than a true Lee-Speed.

Matt.




No matter how much you think about it, this is really the crux of it all!
Man-Eaters Of Tsavo
In my humble opinion, yes this nails it!




Says it all. Oh and a German spiked helmet from WW1


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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: Rule303]
      #330925 - 08/08/19 04:55 AM

I own a Speed-(ish) 303 and also a 9.3X74R, a 9.3X62, a 375H&H and a 404 Jeffery.


Somehow ----when I think of large male lions that would like to eat me--- I don't think of the 303 much at all.

I have killed a handful of nice Mule Deer and White Tail Deer with my 303s however, so that's what comes to mind for me.


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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: szihn]
      #330945 - 08/08/19 09:21 PM

A .303 British Lee Speed with engraving of a red stag suits Australia and NZ well. A kangaroo of course as well. The .303 or its derivatives has probably killed as many kangaroos as any other cartridge.

More exotic, I like the idea of Indian game. Water buffalo, gaur, tiger. Especially the deer species which are in common, India and Australia, sambar deer, chital of axis deer and hog deer.

If it was mine I would strongly have a preference for water buffalo, tiger and sambar deer. If it was desired to have a common Aussie and Indian theme, water buffalo and sambar deer.

As for Africa, maybe a Maneaters of Tsavo theme. With maned lion and perhaps a suitable antelope theme.

On a completely different note, perhaps an Afghan theme, Mujaheddin and Speztnaz Russian soldiers!

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: NitroX]
      #331133 - 13/08/19 09:11 PM

For me it would be a ever declining woodland caribou,the 303 and the enfield has a long history here ...I just hope I get the old mans rifle finished before its too late

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: PapaScarface]
      #331134 - 13/08/19 09:59 PM

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Hello brains trust!

Today I woke up thinking long and hard that once my lee speed mock up sporter is finished being built I should look into having some engraving done. So my question is, what animal best represents the 303 British to you? My feeling is as an Aussie that a Red deer would best the 303. No doubt countless reds have fallen to the 303 in Aus, NZ and the UK.
Is there a species that screams 303 British to you?




PapaScarface

Make sure we see this rifle and its engraving one day.

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: NitroX]
      #331454 - 20/08/19 02:09 PM

Just a tidbit of knowledge. The Maneaters of Tsavo were maneless as were all male lions in that area.

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: casper50]
      #331459 - 20/08/19 06:14 PM

Yes but who would put an engraving on a rifle like that! Thread bare mangy looking Tsavo lions.

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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: NitroX]
      #331542 - 22/08/19 11:36 AM

Interesting input by all, I of course was expecting the maneaters to get a fair mention as well as Canadian moose, and general African plains game, interestingly I hadnít considered Indian game at all.


Surprised none of our European members chimed in...


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Re: What animal screams 303b to you? [Re: PapaScarface]
      #331563 - 22/08/19 09:29 PM

Interestingly - no game animal comes to mind when I think 303..

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