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Wayne59
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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: bigboar]
      #328660 - 22/05/19 11:25 AM

Formed brass and turned brass require different size wads. The chambers on these old guns can vary in size. Mostly in the rim area. If you would like some help let me know and I will give you my number. I will tell you the easyest way to get started without spending a fortune.

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bigboar
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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: Wayne59]
      #328711 - 23/05/19 06:28 AM

Wayne,

Thank you for the generous offer. I sent a PM. If it dont show up, let me know.


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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: bigboar]
      #328721 - 23/05/19 09:43 AM

Paper means paper. There was a guy at our gun show 2 weeks ago, who was selling paper 8 bore once fired hulls as well as paper factory loaded with that 2oz, chunk of lead for breaking scale.

paper means paper - I thought they were still available.

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Wayne59
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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #328725 - 23/05/19 12:08 PM

Daryl if you can I would appreciate any info you could find on where he is getting his paper hulls. 10ga would also be nice.

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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: Wayne59]
      #328729 - 23/05/19 01:36 PM

OK Wayne. I'm busy all day tomorrow, then heading back East to bury my last aunt, so home on Monday. I can get contact info for the guy after we, my brother and I and I get home from Ontario.
He's there now and will not have that contact information with him.
Skip me a note next week, Wayne.

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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #328745 - 23/05/19 10:03 PM

Thanks Daryl. Sorry to hear about your Aunt.

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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: Wayne59]
      #328758 - 24/05/19 01:51 AM

Tks Wayne. She was the Matriarch (non blood side for me) of the family for just over 3 years after my Mom passed in late 2015.
Another hour 1/2 and my trailer goes in for bearings and brakes - I expect to be at the RV shop most of the day.
The 19,200km trip of last summer's post-trip wrenching is not over.

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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #328780 - 24/05/19 03:36 PM

Most likely older Kiln Gun rounds Daryl, they were paper, with I think a heavy Zinc slug NEVER shoot these in a rifle or gun it WILL blow you & it to bits, these are made to fit & be fired in a small cannon !!

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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: Sarg]
      #328786 - 25/05/19 12:33 AM

Yes-, Sarg - that's exactly what they were.
The projectiles I saw were 2oz totally flat on the front end, & hard lead.
I will contact Wayne when I get back home. Being picked up in 30 minutes by the airport shuttle.

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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #328974 - 29/05/19 08:36 PM

I placed a large order with Precision. They had a memorial day sale and I made the $300 level for $30 discount. I ordered plastic hulls and wads for both 8 GA and 10GA. Both plastic shot wads and felt and over shot and over powder wads. A pound of blue dot. I may have to see for my self how bad the black powder melts the plastic hulls. I will start with smokeless. The 8 GA barrel has just enough minor pitting that might make cleaning more of a chore. I may revisit the brass cases later.

As initially posted, Precision looks like a good way to start with smokeless and one stop shopping. I had a long conversation with Wayne on the phone. Very helpful. He pointed out an error I made in measuring the 10ga chamber. That was a major error on my part. We also ID the chamber types, one paper, other brass. I never posted on the 10 because I assumed it was a simple gun to load. And it is. But a little knowledge goes a long way.

Thank you to everyone who posted. Now, if I could find a 4 gauge.


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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: bigboar]
      #328977 - 30/05/19 12:43 AM

Thanks for the update, bigboar.
Now, about the barrels, any marks indicating they are "not for ball".
A round ball load that shoots close, and a wild bore hunt, might be exciting.

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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #328989 - 30/05/19 08:02 AM

I do not see any mention of ball, one way or another. I measured about 5/1000 constriction for choke. I guess that would be considered slightly improved. Almost nothing. A soft round ball should work. Those would be 2 ounce balls. I dont see myself carrying a 13.5 pound gun with 35" barrels. What it lacks in practical, it will make up for in fun!

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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: bigboar]
      #329010 - 31/05/19 02:52 AM

5 to 8 thou. is about IMP Cyl., IIRC. I would not use a ball larger than the choke, however. Yes, I know paradox& rifled choke guns are even tighter, but the barrels are also much heavier than a 'pelter'. (pelletshooter)

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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #329011 - 31/05/19 05:19 AM

Recommended reading..



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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: rigbymauser]
      #329015 - 31/05/19 06:33 AM

Well done Rigbymauser, those are the ones that I was trying to remember, I have the Pink one, great info in that, but mine is with the chap who WAS going to put rifle barrels on my C&H action !

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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #329865 - 07/07/19 04:37 PM

Hi there, Be slightly careful with chamber length as 3 1/4 was generally the longest chamber in US made guns, though some may have been longer.. British chamberings went up to 4 1/4 from memory I used Winchester 3 1/4 magnum paper hulls from a cement works. I had to make up a swage to tap the hulls into to reduce the second brass thickness back to parallel so they would chamber. It soon worked out that a light rub inside and out the cartridge mouth with melted paraffin wax extended case life significantly on the paper cases. The load I used was the standard ICI - Eley-Kynoch recommended load for 3 1/4 cases of 158 gn FFG and 2 ozs shot as the gun - an American Davenport, has no proof marks, I didnt push it to 2 1/2 ozs shot. Being a single barrel I didnt need to wory too much about crimping so just used hot wax on the over shot card but this will not work in your double so your on your own there I am afraid.

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Re: Help loading an 8 bore shotgun [Re: theprof1]
      #329985 - 10/07/19 08:52 AM

Quote:

Hi there, Be slightly careful with chamber length as 3 1/4 was generally the longest chamber in US made guns, though some may have been longer.. British chamberings went up to 4 1/4




For full disclosure, my 8ga is not 3 3/4 inch. I ended up making a chamber adaptor 8 to 12ga. Quite a home machinist project for me. I have not used that adaptor. It is another angle to try out, maybe BP cowboy loads? That is beside the point. I ended up with 3 3/8 long adapter and just barely fit at that with a slightly beveled end. Given the level of fitment, I guess now, that the gun is really 3 1/4 with a little extra and a very gentle taper. I decided to post because, I dont want to mislead anyone with wrong information. I will go back and add a foot note to my inaccurate post.

As for the loading, I was able to swage down the industrial brass. I load up 20 rounds with black powder. we will see how the plastic holds up for one shot with a light load. I have been distracted and not been able to fire the gun. And, waiting to get together with my buddy and his skeet machine and the pattern board at the club. Then, I will see where I am at. I used double felt wads to fill the case. If I do order brass, I will get 3" and have less unused space to deal with.


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