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1. (And most important) Does anyone know where in Germany I can get some ammunition for this? I have 25 Kynoch rounds that I left in the US, and my reloading equipment does me no good here (licensing issues). If anyone knows a source, that would be awesome. I've been on the Kynoch web site, and the closest dealer listed apparently has a bad web site address that is not coming up. Perhaps a shipment from Austria? Other sources?

B. I thought I remembered how to take down the firing pin, but I'm doing something wrong. This bolt has a diopter (perhaps a Lyman? I need to take a photo). Do I need to do anything different? There is a small screw, but I did not loosen it. I haven't decided if I like the diopter or not, but it folds out of the way, so no big deal.

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1) Member Kuduae (Axel Eichendorff) is a Saxon Forester and uses am M1910 on the job. Surely he knows of Deutsche ammo resources.

2) Bolt disassembly:

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III. And now the real mystery. I had thought taking it down would answer some questions, but to my surprise, I could not find a proof mark. I acquired the rifle in the US, were exported rifles not proofed? On the bottom of the receiver, I found a few stamps, but nothing that looked like a proof mark. On the barrel and the receiver are the serial number: 678. On top of the receiver, "Patent, Mannlicher-Schoenauer M1910". Also on the bottom of the barrel and receiver is the number "0". to the right of the 0 is a T in a circle, which research tells me means that the receiver was made from Crucible Steel. Where the receiver hits the "magazine well" (for lack of a better term) is a G in a circle, but I'm not sure what to make of that. The "0", coupled with the three digit serial number leads me to believe it was manufactured in 1910, but that may be jumping to a conclusion. I really expected to see a proof mark, coupled with the proof date. Thoughts?

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Your Mannlicher Schõnauer M1910 should have proof marks, either Austrian or German. Remember, Austria was 'annexed' by Germany in 1938, hence MS rifles and carbines (stutzen) manufactured during the 'Anschluss' of 1938 - 45 bear German proofs, all others Austrian. Arms imported through England generally had British proofs added.

These are Austrian proofs on a Mannlicher Schönauer:


On this example, the stylized 'Npv' indicates that it was proofed at Vienna, 711.07 indicates the 711th arm proofed at Vienna in 1907. C 9.0 indicates bore of 9mm (M1905).

German proof mark indicating a 1939 proof, 6.7mm (M1903) Note that it also bears the Npv and script EV of Vienna. It may have been built pre Anschluss and later reproofed:







If your receiver is marked thus, it was manufactured no later than 1926:



During 1926, the name of the firm was changed to Steyr Werke AG.

If the receiver ring is stamped 'Made in Austria', your MS was manufactured between 1924 - 1938 or after mid - 1945. If stamped 'Made in Germany' it was built during the 1938 - 45 occupation of Austria, If neither, it was mfd. no later than 1924:


1924 - 1938


1938 - 1945


1900 - 1924


Hope this helps!

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I took some photos, but forgot how to post them at my ISP, so I will work on that.

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Here is the diopter sight.

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You don't see any proofmarks on your rifle, no wonder at all. The proofmarks are usually on the barrel reinforce of Mannlicher – Schoenauers. As your photo shows, there is obviously a ring soldered around that area, covering any such marks. Your rifle was once mounted with a scope, that ring holding the front base.

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Shouldn't the proof house number indicating the year of proof (and sequence within) have been stamped on both barrel reinforce and on the receiver as with the 411 . 08 on this example?

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DonZ, with regards to CIP newly manufactured ammunition I know of only one option, which should be available through your local rifle smith:
Dorfner ammunition, from Vienna (Austria), see https://www.waffen-dorfner.at/seltene-buchsenpatronen/ . Excellent ammunition that I use for all the range of MS proprietary calibers. In case you couldn't find a rifle smith willing to import them in Stuttgart, I could put you in contact with my supplier in North East France (Alsace, near Strassburg, not such distant from your location) that may supply. Dorfner 9,5x57 MS come in 17,5 grams Teilmantel; c. Euro 110 or 120 per box of 20 rounds.
Good luck with your hunt in Poland.
Louis

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If I save the brass I should be able to find someone to help me reload.

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Be certain to build your 9.5X57 cartridges as close as possible to the dimensions of original factory loads for smooth loading and function. I'd save five of the Kynoch rounds for reference (or find some DWM 531).

Though nothing is smoother than a properly fed Schönauer magazine, those prior to the M1924 can be rather particular regarding length and profile of cartridges and may jam if your projectiles are too short overall, seated too deeply, or too narrow near the top third.

Build them like this and they'll run through like melted butter:



Sadly, the Hornady 3715 projectile (.375 270 grain round nose), is no longer available. It fit the M1910 Schönauer magazine almost perfectly and was economical. If you run across any Hornady 3715 you'll probably want to buy them. Woodleigh has solids that are of correct size, weight, and profile at a higher cost. If you find another source for .375 270 grain round nose, do tell the rest of us!


Hornady 3715 (.375 - 270g RN), Original DWM 531.

Here's how DWM 531 was loaded in 1935:









Kynoch still does limited runs from time to time - very expensive. Quality Cartridge (U.S.) now manufactures fresh, properly headstamped brass for the 9.5X57 (.375 RNE) at a reasonable price.

Brass for the M1910 can also be easily formed from .35 Whelen. The Whelen has a higher shoulder than the 9.5X57, so the dies push it down to the proper location. Avoid using other _X57 brass to reform unless you're going to draw it straight first. Simply reforming _X57 brass in 9.5X57 dies will leave the shorter, narrower shoulders of the other X57 cartridges untouched.

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Separate topic on the Woodleighs: I tried their 6.5mm Protected Point in my 1903. For a spitzer bullet, they fed well, but I was having serious over-pressure issues that I haven't figured out.

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Only other change I want to make to the rifle is I'd like to find a DST for it, but that is NOT critical. I will probably take it to Poland with me, and if the Red Deer is close enough that my old eyes still work, I'll use that instead of the scoped rifle. I think...

Thanks again for everyone's help.

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A double set trigger, you say?

Here's one on Ebay, complete, for a mere $765 USD, 'marked down' from $900.

Ebay

It's only money?



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