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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #296323 - 05/03/17 05:01 PM

20 ga pinfire combination gun by WILH. GERSTNER BLEISTADT
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6353107





































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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #298221 - 31/03/17 10:39 PM

in the next auction: double rifle in 16/70 by Leue & Timpe /Berlin, SN 676
http://www.hermann-historica.de/de/doppe...mp;currentpos=7















the Leue&Timpe gun in Zimmer "Hunting Guns" 1877





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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #302922 - 10/07/17 05:26 AM

pinfire double gun, right barrel common rifling - left barrel straight rifling
probably a 16 ga http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/haneboesse-s-s-1800-tallets-anden-halvdel/i4712772/#













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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #302928 - 10/07/17 09:36 AM

This last one is VERY interesting.

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: Daryl_S]
      #302951 - 11/07/17 05:31 AM

Not to echo you Daryl but that gun is really neat. I would love to find a cheap plain one at a gun show. Looks to me like a PERFECT elk, moose, or bear rifle.

Does anyone have any idea how long the cases would be?


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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: Lane]
      #302954 - 11/07/17 06:45 AM

By the looks of the chambers - 2" to 2.5" at the most.

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: Daryl_S]
      #303094 - 16/07/17 07:17 PM

Stadelmann in Suhl, pinfire double rifle , looks like 20 or 24 ga to me
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/f-stad...alvd/i4724770/#
















belgian made combination gun 16 ga pinfire + 14mm pifire rifle, probably a 28 ga

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6535378

more basic gun but with a little work and love it could be improved























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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: tinker]
      #307290 - 05/11/17 11:30 PM

Husqvarna Model 44 in 20/45 , SN 30510
https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/h17/dubbelstudsare/4630_9












18 mm (12 ga ?) double rifle by N. GONNEAUD in Sankt Petersburg - Russia
" N. GONNEAUD ARQ ER A ST PETERSBOURG", SN 8613

https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/h17/dubbelstudsare/4625_1






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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #309197 - 20/12/17 03:08 AM

16/65 and 28 ga(14,2mm) pinfire combination gun " Johann Paap in Heide "
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6728468













the owner made the rifle cartridges by using lathe turned brass cases for the .54 sharps

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #320793 - 20/10/18 04:56 AM

https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/l/17...p;currentpos=82

"R. B. Rodda & Co. Makers by Appointment to H. E. the Viceroy" 4 bore 3,5", SN 25617

















Kaliber 4 / 3,5" (Four Bore), Nr. 25617. Blanke Laufseelen, Lauflänge 61 cm, englischer Schwarzpulverbeschuss. Fein guillochierte Laufschiene mit Standkimme und zwei Klappkimmen, diese mit Platineinlage, Entfernungsmarkierungen für 50, 80 und 120 Yards. In Gold eingelegt auf dem linken Lauf "R. B. Rodda & Co. Makers by Appointment to H. E. the Viceroy", auf dem rechten Lauf "H. R. H. The Duke of Edinburgh. London & Calcutta.". Bräunierung des Laufbündels patiniert, partiell minimale Närbchen. System als Unterhebelöffner mit Auszieher, Hahnschlösser mit Sicherheitsrast, Doppelabzug. Basküle und Schlossbleche fein mit Rocaillen und Arabesken graviert. Auf beiden Schlossblechen in englischer Schrift die in Gold eingelegte Herstellerangabe "R. B. Rodda & Co". Die ehemalige Bunthärtung der Basküle, der Abzugsbügel und Schlosse gedunkelt/patiniert, mit Gebrauchsspuren. Dunkler Nussholzschaft mit Pistolengriff und deutscher Backe. Feine Fischhaut an Vorderschaft und Pistolengriff. Gummischaftkappe aus rotem Kautschuk, diese gealtert und verformt. Basis der Gummischaftkappe mit Ausbruch. Der gesamte Schaft mit Gebrauchsspuren, die Fischhaut teils abgegriffen, Alterungsspuren. Schaftlänge 36 cm, Gesamtlänge 105 cm. Erlaubnispflichtig

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #320803 - 20/10/18 10:29 AM

Certainly a very attractive and desirable rife but one thing confuses me

The Birmingham Proof marks on the barrel flats show 8 (for 8 bore, not a 4 bore) a major difference in the price/value (cartridge 4 bores being over double the price of 8 bores)?

I could not find a way to translate the German? text so of that would possibly show the answer

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: TH44]
      #320805 - 20/10/18 11:49 AM

I’m thinking the same.
Four bores are absurdly disproportionate in the size of the locks and hammers opposed to the massive breech. This rifle looks much like other 8 bores to my eye.
Then, of course is the “8” on the flats....

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: Huvius]
      #320816 - 20/10/18 09:43 PM

A friend of mine owned twelve 8 Bore double rifles and four 4 Bore double rifles, two of the 4 Bore double rifles were Rodda's fully engraved and made for the Nizam of Hyderabad. They weighed 22 pounds each and were MUCH more massive than the above double rifle. I agree with TH44 and Huvius that it is an 8 Bore. Probably weighs 15 to 17 pounds.

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: 8borerifle]
      #320867 - 22/10/18 03:28 PM

The 8 and 4 bore double rifles seem to always look so chunky, clubby, ugly..

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: Ash]
      #322616 - 19/12/18 10:50 PM

unusual Kynoch 12 ga paradox round for sale
https://www.naturabuy.fr/BELLE-CARTOUCHE...em-5091939.html

looks original






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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #322725 - 23/12/18 11:43 PM

I wished I could buy it.

Edited by rigbymauser (23/12/18 11:44 PM)


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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #329196 - 07/06/19 04:36 AM

Paradox type shotgun Daniel Fraser - Edinburgh, 12/65 with exchangeable barrels
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/en/...;currentpos=123

















Detail

71 cm barrels, in the choked section sharp lead rifling, choked effectively full & full, ejectors (springs removed but included), quarter rib with 2 folding rear sights, 50 and 100 yds, inscribed with Leith Street Terrace address, slightly fancy-backed action with faint traces of colour, side bolsters, sideclips, Anson & Deeley boxlock, Greener crossbolt, automatic sliding tang safety with gold inlaid "Safe", obviously restocked walnut stock, drop points, straight hand, chequered horn buttplate 37 cm, blank silver stock oval, fore-end with horn schnabel tip, Deeley latch, including 71 cm exchangeable barrels choked cylinder & 3/4, concave rib, ivory bead and auxiliary bead, ejectors, in its maker's canvas covered case with trade label, oil bottle, some small parts (ejector springs, single trigger including springs, etc.), including the original buttstock, left stock horn cracked and splinter included, technically interesting, rare gun of the well renowned Scottish rifle maker, year of manufacture about 1900, condition 3.

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