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Gundog01
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Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express?
      #310125 - 08/01/18 12:41 PM

Does anyone have either pictures or a H&H Lee speed in their collection? I have wanted to see and study a speed from HH in their proprietary .375 Express round.

Thank you


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Re: Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express? [Re: Gundog01]
      #310130 - 08/01/18 02:06 PM

I think one went through one of the British auction houses last year or the year before - perhaps the Gleneagles sale?
You might search their sites.


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Re: Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express? [Re: MikeRowe]
      #310169 - 09/01/18 01:22 PM

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Re: Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express? [Re: englishman_ca]
      #310444 - 14/01/18 08:01 AM

......not a .375, but a very nice H&H .303...





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Re: Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express? [Re: yumastepside]
      #310446 - 14/01/18 08:13 AM

...some more pics...





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Re: Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express? [Re: yumastepside]
      #310458 - 14/01/18 11:18 AM

That is a nice .303.

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Re: Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express? [Re: Daryl_S]
      #310492 - 15/01/18 09:48 AM

Must have been 10-12 years ago when travelling in NZ with Geoff Slee, I purchased the butt, forend and a few sundry items including similar scope mounts from a very badly buggered H&H "Lee Speed".

What is most unusual about it is that the stock had a cheekpiece typical of some H&H double rifle stocks I have hanging here, but is otherwise of Lee Speed form. I reckon it's dead sexy. It is also the only LS stock I have seen with genuine flat top chequering, as opposed to worn or trade quality pointed chequering.

The stock also has a little deliberate cast-off, which I have never before seen on a Lee Speed except where the socket was not machined square, or the stock not fitted up square to the socket. Stock is inlet for the tang safety which luckily is still in position.

I'll never know if the butt was original to that poor rifle, but all things considered I reckon it probably was. It would be interesting to know if it was stocked at H&H, or from a machining supplied by BSA. Who knows.....(?).


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Re: Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express? [Re: Juglansregia]
      #327146 - 11/04/19 07:38 PM

A question. A guy is asking elsewhere about a rifle chambered in ".375 Express" by Holland and Holland.

What other variations might be called .375 Express, in particular by Holland & Holland?

It has been suggested the rifle is chambered in a magnum cartidge from around 1904 or 1905. And suggested the cartridge chambering is .400/375 Belted Nitro Express.

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Re: Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express? [Re: NitroX]
      #327175 - 12/04/19 07:34 AM

It will either be a Mannlicher Schoenauer chambered for the 400/375 or a 1895 or 1892 Mannlicher chambered for the 375 2 1/2 Flanged, both of which were called 375 Express by H&H, the latter cartridge being specifically developed for that rifle to compete against the 400/350 NE developed by Rigby.

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Re: Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express? [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #327192 - 12/04/19 12:25 PM

I'm going to load up some photos from the net on the rifle, to our archives.

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Re: Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express? [Re: NitroX]
      #327226 - 13/04/19 01:12 PM

I published an 18-page article in the last HBSA Journal (Dec. 2018, - Volume 4, No. 10), titled "The Origins and Development of the .375 Nitro Express Lee-Speed Sporting Rifle." It has a good deal of information on how/why/when this cartridge was offered in the Lee sporting rifles. You can contact the HBSA for a copy.

Much of the material was taken from my draft of the .375 chapter from the work-in-progress Lee-Speed book, but I discovered some new things while sorting it all out for the article. In researching the article, I made use of 23 Lee-Speed rifles in .375 that I was able to examine to some extent (there were over 100 additional rifles known only from records and ledgers that I was not able to examine)---only two of these were from H&H. Although the article has color photos of .375 Lees from Greener, Manton, and BSA, I was unable to secure permission to use photos of the two H&H examples.

One interesting thing I realized during the research was that H&H never advertised the Lee rifle in .375 (at least not in my long search of gun retail ads and catalogues), although it is clear that they sold them. This might seem odd considering that H&H invented the .375 -2 1/2-inch cartridge in 1899, but makes sense when you realize that they intended it for the Mannlicher magazine rifle, and also for more expensive single-shot and double rifles.

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yumatsepside --- I would love to see or learn about the markings on that very nice scoped rifle. Can you help me out?

Juglansregia -- do you still own the wood from this rifle? I would love to compare it with the Lee-Speed furniture from some other gunmakers who deviated from the BSA standard.

Thanks guys!

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Re: Does anyone have pictures of an H&H in .375 Express? [Re: jc5]
      #327296 - 15/04/19 08:42 AM

Sorry jc, these are pic's collected from the net some years back, the rifle may belong to a chap from NZ but I'm not sure.
If I find any info I'll let you know.


...some rounds I picked up at a gun show last year.

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