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In Praise of the .300 win. Mag.
      #327020 - 09/04/19 09:47 AM

https://www.fieldandstream.com/in-praise-300-winchester-magnum

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327021 - 09/04/19 12:00 PM

I'd like to see what you could get from a 300 win in a magnum action and throated for the long bullets. Would be spectacular, or more spectacular than it currently is.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327031 - 09/04/19 03:40 PM

Yes - fast twist and throated long. I bought the Browning A-3 with it's 26" bl. for long-range shooting at our range.

We have now extended the range to 1,400meters last fall. We need some more steel plates - obviously. Another full size buffalo silhouette out of AR500 would be nice.

It only took me 2 shots to hit the 1,000meter buffalo. He's 4' belly to top of the back and 8' long including the head, of course.

The reason it took 2 shots, was I held my Vortec MOA scope for 1,000 yards, not 1,000 meters. The second shot (anohter 1 1/2 moa smacked him in the heart.

180gr. WW Protected point bonded - factory ammo.
That 180Winchester and some old 1970's .300 Win. Mag. R-P 180 Corelocts (I found) cloverleaf on top of each other off the bags at 100 meters.

That test target had 6 shots under 3/8" - for factory ammo, it was incredible. I picked up another box of the Win. ammo just to have it.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327033 - 09/04/19 04:04 PM

G'Day Fella's,

The .300 Win Mag has always been an imprerssive cartridge, it's just that most of us, didn't realise just how good it was.

Unfortunatley for me, the .300 Win and W/by Mags etc, recoil to sharply for me.
I might try one, with one of the new super soft recoil pads (Pachmayr XLT, etc), and see what it's like?

D'oh!
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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Homer]
      #327064 - 10/04/19 01:35 AM

The Browning came with a type of sorbicoil pad, very nice to shoot. I know what you mean by the 'sharp' recoil. The recoil speed is right up there, but easy to shoot well.

Now, a friend of mine has a .300 Winch. Mag. Savage that weighs 6 1/2 pounds. That one is MOST unpleasant to shoot.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327069 - 10/04/19 04:16 AM

The 300Win is a great cartridge--frankly the only caliber I used for about 15 years.. worked so well I quit using it..

Here is another 300--- fuel to the discussion of this post.. personally I much prefer the 300Win to the Weatherby.. If I need more than the Win I'' take the 300RUM.. more accurate, more speed and no belt..

https://sportsafield.com/the-300-weatherby-magnum/

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #327087 - 10/04/19 09:27 AM

Buddy of mine has or had a Remington M700 factory chambered in .300 WTBY mag. He told me it put 200gr. Noslers out using Speer data for IMR7828, at just over 3,200fps. I said B-ll-Sh--, in my usually soft manner.
Well, I did get to chronograph it, little finger bolt lift and 3,230fps or so - 200gr. Nosler Partition. It was almost 200fps faster than the book. Who'd have thought?
The data was out of #8 or #9 Speer Manual I think & that load or data in not in the current books.

If I remember correctly, it was 82.0gr. IMR7828 with Fed. 215 primer.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327118 - 10/04/19 11:16 PM

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Buddy of mine has or had a Remington M700 factory chambered in .300 WTBY mag. He told me it put 200gr. Noslers out using Speer data for IMR7828, at just over 3,200fps. I said B-ll-Sh--, in my usually soft manner.
Well, I did get to chronograph it, little finger bolt lift and 3,230fps or so - 200gr. Nosler Partition. It was almost 200fps faster than the book. Who'd have thought?
The data was out of #8 or #9 Speer Manual I think & that load or data in not in the current books.

If I remember correctly, it was 82.0gr. IMR7828 with Fed. 215 primer.



HA...usually soft manner??

For years out of my RUM I was shooting 180 A-Frames at 3370fps... now using 200gr A-Frames around 3175..no big signs of pressure..so, I would believe that..

Do you know if the barrel was set up with the customary "weatherby freebore"??

I know Rem for years was showing the 180 Rem Factory loads at around 3200fps..which was way under what it is capable of ..while testing on my chrono I hit the 3400fps mark with the 180's.. definite pressure signs however..

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #327127 - 11/04/19 01:37 AM

I don't know what the throat was like, Ripp - but likely it had the 1/2" or so of freebore, just to be safe with factory ammo.
It simply was a very "fast" barrel, I guess. I've had a few really 'fast' barrels over the years.
The 26" Jeff Lawrence barrel on my daughter's .260, my old Shilen bl.'d 26" .257 Robert's IMP - my current 26" .375/06IMP and my old Oberndorf 9.3x62 with 22"bl.

I've had slow barrels too, a model 1917 US Mauser '06 that was a poke in .30/06, hitting max. with 2,300fps and 220's, 2550fps with 180's, but quite accurately. It would not make .308 ballistics without complaint, so I re-chambered it to .30/.338 to start, on rebated rims, then decided to go full length with the .300 Win Mag., opened the bolt and was done. I think it was actually a P14 action as the action rails appeared to have the central open-area for the rims. It fed .06's just fine, though and after the re-chamber, fed the magnum rounds without a hitch - no mod needed.

Too - after the re-chamber, it turned into a good, normal/fast 24" barrel, however it did not like 220's or 180's any more. It delighted in driving 165's at over 3,300fps with WW Failsafe's as well as Nos. Partitions and grouping right at the 3/4" mark for 3-shot groups. Best were 165gr. Partitions at 3,265fps iirc, and sub 1/2" most of the time. Young local fellow needed it more than I did so I practically gave it to him, $175.00 seems to me.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327133 - 11/04/19 06:21 AM

The old 308Norma Mag is just as good, probably a bit more efficient than the 300WM.
Norma factory loads were accurate, 3 shots right on an inch at 100 yards. I tried reloading that cartridge for years without success using AR2209 - just didn't work!
Changed to AR2213SC under advice & the groups dropped remarkably, I've slightly bettered the factory loads - but I can do so now with 2 projectiles, the 178gn A-Max & 180gn flat base (Hornady); all to the same point of aim & at 3020 odd fps!
Not wrong about the sharp recoil Homer....yes I'll have to get a new pad for mine as well.
Sorry to hi-jack the thread - again another cartridge that could be out there a lot more if marketed better!

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #327136 - 11/04/19 10:26 AM


Lots of good cartridges “don’t get no respect”..... I was at the range maybe a month ago tinkering with a Sako .300WSM..... buddy came up to me and politely asked what I was shooting. When I told him, his somewhat condescending response was along the lines of “I thought that cartridge fad hit the dust bin and nobody uses it anymore”.....

What gives? I shoot what I like and I don’t much care if some other wanker thinks it doesn’t measure up to some bizarre standard set in their own minds..... Oh well, I’ve never been much of a follower.

The .300 Win mag in it’s original form is a plenty fine cartridge and is a wonderful choice for anyone looking for a bit more snap than the really superb .30-06.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Postman]
      #327139 - 11/04/19 02:44 PM

My 24" m70 is currently running 2,960fps with 165gr.SST's and 2,745fps with 180gr. SST's.
The 165's are .540" for 5 and the 180's are running .645".
I'm more than happy with that rifle & only see the .300WMag as a "plinking" rifle at this time, for playing a the range on the steel gongs.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Postman]
      #327150 - 11/04/19 08:37 PM

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Lots of good cartridges “don’t get no respect”..... I was at the range maybe a month ago tinkering with a Sako .300WSM..... buddy came up to me and politely asked what I was shooting. When I told him, his somewhat condescending response was along the lines of “I thought that cartridge fad hit the dust bin and nobody uses it anymore”.....

What gives? I shoot what I like and I don’t much care if some other wanker thinks it doesn’t measure up to some bizarre standard set in their own minds..... Oh well, I’ve never been much of a follower.

The .300 Win mag in it’s original form is a plenty fine cartridge and is a wonderful choice for anyone looking for a bit more snap than the really superb .30-06.



Can't put it any better than this Postman!
Very well put - on all points!

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #327152 - 11/04/19 10:38 PM

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Lots of good cartridges “don’t get no respect”..... I was at the range maybe a month ago tinkering with a Sako .300WSM..... buddy came up to me and politely asked what I was shooting. When I told him, his somewhat condescending response was along the lines of “I thought that cartridge fad hit the dust bin and nobody uses it anymore”.....

What gives? I shoot what I like and I don’t much care if some other wanker thinks it doesn’t measure up to some bizarre standard set in their own minds..... Oh well, I’ve never been much of a follower.

The .300 Win mag in it’s original form is a plenty fine cartridge and is a wonderful choice for anyone looking for a bit more snap than the really superb .30-06.



Can't put it any better than this Postman!
Very well put - on all points!



Have reiterated those sentiments for years... IF you don't like the new, old or different cartridge, then DON'T use it..simple as that...

Its almost like some take it personal because you don't use/like their caliber of choice.. Who cares???

Hint, hint, I don't .. Neither should you...

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #327304 - 15/04/19 02:09 PM

The only 30 caliber magnum I’m interested in is the 300 Norma Magnum. Everything else is academic (except for the 300H&H that is).

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327500 - 20/04/19 12:20 PM

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I'd like to see what you could get from a 300 win in a magnum action and throated for the long bullets. Would be spectacular, or more spectacular than it currently is.



300 PRC?

https://www.hornady.com/300prc#!/

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: AdamTayler]
      #327524 - 21/04/19 03:27 AM

Yes- that one is interesting, Adam.


https://i0.wp.com/gununiversity.com/wp-c...2C528&ssl=1

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327532 - 21/04/19 10:36 AM

Except the PRC doesnt need a magnum action.

It's fantastic

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327536 - 21/04/19 11:54 AM

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Except the PRC doesnt need a magnum action.

It's fantastic



Exactly..

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327628 - 24/04/19 02:32 AM

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Except the PRC doesnt need a magnum action.

It's fantastic



Which makes my wonder why Ruger did not offer it in their Precision rifle, and went with the 300 Win Mag instead. It takes an AI Mag, and AI makes mags that have either a 6.675 OAL or 3.750 OAL. https://accurate-mag.com/shop/magazines/long-action-dssf-magazines/ Will the one with a 3.750 OAL not fit for some reason? What am I missing?

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: AdamTayler]
      #327639 - 24/04/19 12:18 PM

Maybe because of who those guns are marketed to? I feel that most people who love the black AR/MSR and similar looking rifles are usually trying to look like some idealized military type badass. Hence, offer the calibers the military uses. The 300 PRC is too new and currently only the ELR crowd is using the PRC. The military will surely adopt it in time and then the private market will follow

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327644 - 24/04/19 02:50 PM

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I feel that most people who love the black AR/MSR and similar looking rifles are usually trying to look like some idealized military type badass.



Love it.

I blame too much TV.

BTW the same sorts here in Aust are the ones always moaning they can't have their AR15s for shooting at target ranges here as well.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #327645 - 24/04/19 02:53 PM

As for the .300 Win Mag, if I had a .300 Mag I would go for a .300 H&H Magnum. All these new fangled cartridges are too modern for me ...


Otherwise a .308 Norma Mag or .300 Norma Magnum, though I know nothing about the later.

In the meantime I will make do with the 8x68S.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #327655 - 24/04/19 09:51 PM

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I feel that most people who love the black AR/MSR and similar looking rifles are usually trying to look like some idealized military type badass.



Love it.

I blame too much TV.

BTW the same sorts here in Aust are the ones always moaning they can't have their AR15s for shooting at target ranges here as well.



Yep, I’ll put my hand up for whinging long and loud over the loose of military style autos in Australia. Shot many a target with an AR15 at Camp Perry and knew my way around an M14 too both on the range and in the paddock.

As to the 300 Win Mag. Bought my first one when I was 17. Shot a lot of game with that cartridge in Australia and NZ. Absolutely love it. Even used one to kill a few targets in Field Rifle comp. did all right to until the barrel heated up😂

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327656 - 24/04/19 10:45 PM

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Maybe because of who those guns are marketed to? I feel that most people who love the black AR/MSR and similar looking rifles are usually trying to look like some idealized military type badass. Hence, offer the calibers the military uses. The 300 PRC is too new and currently only the ELR crowd is using the PRC. The military will surely adopt it in time and then the private market will follow



Agree with the above..the decision was probably based more so on sales numbers.. many more individuals already have 300 Win Mag dies, ammo etc, so more apt to purchase the 300Win vs the newer 300PRC..even though the PRC does offer some advantages..

The 300Win was my first true rifle I purchased once on my own.. great caliber..

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