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Spot on as always Daryl!
Yes Mr Boddington should have known, or most likely he failed to research properly that the 9.3x64mm case is VERY different from the 8mm or 30-06 family of cases.
Mind you his sediments are very well founded, especially now that we have premium convention expanding bullets like Woodleigh or their mono metal hyrdos that make the solids (of which the likes of Taylor and English African game departments based there information on) of old are left well & truly behind when it comes to performance & reliability.
Lines have to be drawn in the sand somewhere, but yes the 9.3's should be allowed as a 'minimum' calibre!
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I find it odd you agree with this article??

Have never used one, but plan to change that in 2019...

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When reading the article earlier I too immediately questioned the claim 9.3x64 is based on the .30-06 case ... a much fatter case, and how could one get .375 H&H performance from an '06 case?

No the 9.3x62 is not the same as a .375 H&H. another case oif gun writer calibre creepism.

As for minimum calibre restrictions, the .375 was largely chosen as a client minimum, probably because so many clients can not shoot properly, arriving with rifles just bought hardly or not used, sometimes not even sighted in. How many times do we still read someone buying a .470 NE double rifle for their first African safari and then sell it off immediately afterwards ...

Untold thousands of cape buffalo have been shot in the old days with the wonderful .318 Westley Richards The original ".338/06" shooting .330 calibre 250 gr RN projectiles. Also poor chums unable to afford expensive English rifles used such cartridges as the 8x60S in common Mauser rechambered rifles.

I would make the minimum, a .330 calibre, brass case approximately the length of a .30-06 case, say minimunm of 60 mm, and a minimum 250 gr weight projectile.

Of course when it comes to calibre creepism, I would argue my 8x68S with a 250 gr projectile will outperform a .338/06.

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Of course when the shit hits the fan, none of these pipsqueak calibres are adequate and many users would hope they have a PH to hold their hand for them and do their shooting for them.

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allways saying the 9,3x64 is the best allround cartridge ever

and better than .375 H&H

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Lancaster,
we can only keep chipping away at the 'flock' who keep following the 375H&H.
Guess we like something a bit more compact & efficient; & does the job better!

Ripp,
You have a great sense of humour mate - good dig!
The RWS cases for the 9.3x64 can be rather expensive, but they are of the highest quality & have lasted many years & MANY reloads.
Its a shame that more rifle manufacturers don't have it as an option - it seems to be like the forgotten middle child!

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I’ve used my SxS Merkel in 9.3x74R on several caribou and whitetail deer. It works very well and does not generate a tremendous amount of blood shot meat and recoil is present but pleasant. The slower velocity and relatively heavy bullets work wonders. Mine clocks at 2400 FPS using 250 grain TTSX with near single hole regulation at 50 yards..... It will absolutely do the job but I personally think it is on the light side for cape buffalo particularly if things go pear shaped, but a textbook broadside lung shot would without question equal a dead buffalo. I sure would NOT feel comfortable with less than perfect raking shots.

Craig Boddington has about a million more times experience and knowledge than I, so if he says it’s ok for buffalo, then I am not qualified to contradict him, but for me and my skill/experience level, I want just a little more horsepower on tap. As a MINIMUM DG caliber, I expect that it does meet that specification given that is the metric being discussed.

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Agree--with this and the comments of others on this post.. have used .375H&H along with the .416 Rem on buffalo.. much prefer the .416... YES, they both kill, but, in my experience, the difference is very noticeable...
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Ripp,
You have a great sense of humour mate - good dig!
The RWS cases for the 9.3x64 can be rather expensive, but they are of the highest quality & have lasted many years & MANY reloads.
Its a shame that more rifle manufacturers don't have it as an option - it seems to be like the forgotten middle child!

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YES, and that sense of humor as been getting me in trouble for a very long time now.. all the way back to the nuns at the Catholic School days..
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BTW--I do see Sako still offers a few models in 9.3x62 as well as a 9.3x66 (sako) caliber..




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I really don't have any irons in this fire, except having 2, 9.3x62's and a .375/06IMP. If I ever go to Africa, I think I will leave them at home and not take a rifle. Maybe I could borrow someone's bow or rifle while over there. I suspect I could afford to spend a few hundred on a rifle and a couple rounds of ammo. That would make packing & paper work for the trip a LOT simpler - less worry some, as well.

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I have been doing that off and on..IF it works out, IMHO, a much easier option... especially if you are hunting plains game.. Also did it when I went to Spain..they had Blaser R8's with Ziess Scopes.. thank God I didn't read the posts on here about the Blaser before I went I probably wouldn't have gotten any game..

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I borrowed one of Karl Stumpfe's Mausers in 8x68S in Namibia to try a 8x68S out. His rifles were above par and excellent.

Some of the client loaner rifles I have seen in various outfitters camps have been horrible.

So if loaning a rifle, make sure you know what you will be getting.

Also on another safari a rifle was supposed to be available for me, I did bring one of my own. No one told the PH so the other rifle was NOT available. It wasn't needed but could have been a huge problem.

So beware if you plan to use a client loaner rifle and be forewarned and prepared.

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Exactly..in both cases for myself, I had discussed what was available before I left for the hunt...and yes, it CAN be a nightmare if you are forced to use the "camp gun"..

My good friend Troy, who has done more guided hunts than anyone I personally know--6-8 per year.. used the PH's gun the last couple times to Africa.. worked fine..but has had a few not so good experiences as well..


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Interesting, thanks. was talking this over with my wife and she thought our big trip to Australia was the BIG trip. LOL
Maybe, never know.

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Problem is..its normally not just once..

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Interesting, thanks. was talking this over with my wife and she thought our big trip to Australia was the BIG trip. LOL
Maybe, never know.

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Interesting, thanks. was talking this over with my wife and she thought our big trip to Australia was the BIG trip. LOL
Maybe, never know.

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Ripp you can say that again.

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EVERYONE needs to go to Afica just once

Problem is..its normally not just once..




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