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The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game
      #324881 - 19/02/19 10:48 PM

Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...

BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?

It truly would get viral internet exposure.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #324887 - 19/02/19 11:31 PM

No reason why you can't get a custom smith the USA who is making a whole heap of custom barrels for the R93 and R8.

With regards to the 45/70, on the sweetest handling doubles I've held was a fausti sxs in 45/70. In fact there is a cheapy on usedguns at the moment.


But I consider the 45/70 the rainbow warrior. Better to get a R93 416 Remington and blast away out to 300m.


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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #324890 - 19/02/19 11:47 PM

Quote:

Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...

BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?

It truly would get viral internet exposure.





Now thats not even a sporting attempt to stir the pot!!!!

Everyone knows the Blaser is the absolute be all and end all dangerous game travel rifle with flawless functioning.... Married to a dinosauer stopper like the .45-70 it would be the last word in DG rifles!!!!! I’ll need to dump one of my archaic doubles to raise the money to buy the far superior Blaser the moment it hits the store shelves......

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Postman]
      #324893 - 20/02/19 12:26 AM

Lol, don't waste your money.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: mchughcb]
      #324897 - 20/02/19 01:05 AM

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With regards to the 45/70, on the sweetest handling doubles I've held was a fausti sxs in 45/70. In fact there is a cheapy on usedguns at the moment.




Agreed--- I too once shot a double at the local range--was a ton of fun and very mild to shoot...

NOT taking the bait John...

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Ripp]
      #324909 - 20/02/19 06:21 AM

I'll bite.

Actually, any bolt gun capable of handing a standard belted magnum ctg. can easily work with the .450 Marlin, the belted magnum modern version of the old 1873 era 2.1" 45/70.
THE .450 Marlin is the 'modern' commercial equivalence to my old .458 2" "American", a wildcat ctg. of the 50's I expect.

In my VZ34 action with 22" bl. I ran the same powder charge with 350, 400 and 500gr. jacketed bullets in my .458 2", achieving 2,296fps, 2,170fps and 2,059fps respectively.

Strung out near max. in a bolt action rifle, they can easily best 2,300fps with 350's and 2,200fps with 400's.
The 500gr. Hornady at 2,059fps was very close to a maximum load.

My loads gave duplicate velocities in a friend's 24" .45/70 Argentine Mauser I helped him build back in the late 70's.

Done up in a bolt gun, there are no flies on the old .45/70 (.450 Marlin)

Even better, is the .458 Alaskan, my rebated rim version of the .450 Alaskan. It easily made over 2,150fps with 500gr. Hornadys- form the 2.1" .348 case blown out with rim turned to .532" and new extractor groove cut. I sold the rifle but still have the brass - 50 to 100 rounds of it, not sure #.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: DarylS]
      #324918 - 20/02/19 07:09 AM

Dangerous Game Blaser in .45-70......or just a Blaser


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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: 3DogMike]
      #324921 - 20/02/19 09:10 AM

One Rifle for the World !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the Blaser R8 in 45/70 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: 500Boswell]
      #324922 - 20/02/19 09:14 AM

You can always get a 45 blaser which will give similar ballistics allegedly.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: 500Boswell]
      #324923 - 20/02/19 09:23 AM

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One Rifle for the World !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the Blaser R8 in 45/70 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Ripp]
      #324929 - 20/02/19 12:14 PM

What Daryl said on the .45/70 for sure !

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Sarg]
      #324938 - 20/02/19 01:28 PM

At the time I was thinking of heading to Africa, late 70's, in a conversation to Elmer Keith, he suggested I should work with the Lyman #562560 mould I was having good results with & getting 1,960fps with the 560gr. bluff nosed bullet. Energy wise, that's 4,778fpe from the .458 2". the .450 Marlin and .45/70 will do the same, from a decent bolt gun, as long as they have a bit of a leade, maybe 1/4" to 3/10".

Cast of WW hardened to brinel 30, he said it would definitely break both shoulders of ANY cape buffalo and find the brain of any bull elephant. When I told him the overall loaded length of my ammo, he noted it was more of a .458 on a 2.4" case, than a 2" case. I had to agree of course as my chamber had a 3/8" freebore or leade.

I haven't made it to Africa, yet. Oh well.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: DarylS]
      #324942 - 20/02/19 03:03 PM

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At the time I was thinking of heading to Africa, late 70's, in a conversation to Elmer Keith, he suggested I should work with the Lyman #562560 mould I was having good results with & getting 1,960fps with the 560gr. bluff nosed bullet. Energy wise, that's 4,778fpe from the .458 2". the .450 Marlin and .45/70 will do the same, from a decent bolt gun, as long as they have a bit of a leade, maybe 1/4" to 3/10".

Cast of WW hardened to brinel 30, he said it would definitely break both shoulders of ANY cape buffalo and find the brain of any bull elephant. When I told him the overall loaded length of my ammo, he noted it was more of a .458 on a 2.4" case, than a 2" case. I had to agree of course as my chamber had a 3/8" freebore or leade.

I haven't made it to Africa, yet. Oh well.




Last I checked you can still hunt buffalo Daryl..its never too late..

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Ripp]
      #324943 - 20/02/19 03:14 PM

LOL - I might have wanted a buff at some point, but a bison is a preferred critter and one I've several guns that will work just fine.

I don't have that rifle any more. Buddy of mine HAD to have it, so I sold it to him.

I do have the reamer, though, for both, .458 2" and .450 Alaskan/.458 Alaskan.

I have heard the barrel must be stamped with the calibre, thus wildcats not stamped might not be admitted? Is this so?

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: DarylS]
      #324951 - 20/02/19 05:11 PM

I think it depends on what country your hunting in Daryl, I took my .458Win over as a work gun last year & it had no caliber marking at all on it, just whizzed into Johannesburg.

Im still trying to get over for a Wood Bison in Alberta some time & have points on a Bison hunt in SD if I make the draw !


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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #324954 - 20/02/19 07:44 PM

Quote:

Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...

BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?

It truly would get viral internet exposure.




I wouldn't buy one unless they offered it in 45/70 Creedmore and threw in a roll of electrical tape to stop the magazine from falling out !

Rod (Dead - set serious icon needed)



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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Rod4861]
      #324963 - 21/02/19 04:35 AM

LOL

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Rod4861]
      #324978 - 21/02/19 10:00 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...

BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?

It truly would get viral internet exposure.




I wouldn't buy one unless they offered it in 45/70 Creedmore and threw in a roll of electrical tape to stop the magazine from falling out !

Rod (Dead - set serious icon needed)






Rod you will need the "SUMMER" standard electrical tape or it will fall off in the heat over there.

Daryl, no need for you to laugh. Don't use the SUMMER standard in your neck of the woods as it will freeze solid, become brittle and break.


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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Rule303]
      #324980 - 21/02/19 10:11 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...

BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?

It truly would get viral internet exposure.




I wouldn't buy one unless they offered it in 45/70 Creedmore and threw in a roll of electrical tape to stop the magazine from falling out !

Rod (Dead - set serious icon needed)






Rod you will need the "SUMMER" standard electrical tape or it will fall off in the heat over there.

Daryl, no need for you to laugh. Don't use the SUMMER standard in your neck of the woods as it will freeze solid, become brittle and break.




Yeah Greg. I saw that on the internet too !

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Rod4861]
      #324981 - 21/02/19 11:54 AM

Has anyone else noticed this?

In the Star Wars movies, their laser "firearms" were called 'Blasters'. And Blasers are an attempt at space age modern firearms. Only the T is missing. Is this a coincidence? :O

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #324984 - 21/02/19 12:18 PM

Nothing worse than brittle tape.
We use the summer stuff to seal the muzzles of our rifle to
keep water (late season rain or snow), spruce, pine and fir
needles, or mud out of the bores of our tree oh trees & .45/70's.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: DarylS]
      #325013 - 23/02/19 01:32 AM

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Nothing worse than brittle tape.
We use the summer stuff to seal the muzzles of our rifle to
keep water (late season rain or snow), spruce, pine and fir
needles, or mud out of the bores of our tree oh trees & .45/70's.




Sealing the muzzle with a bit of tape is good to keep the rain and small twigs out of the bore. It is especially effective for hunting the thick cedar swamps where loose twigs and other flotsam readily falls off the trees and somehow finds its way into actions, bores, and down the back of one's shirt.....

Another very effective method I've seen employed is to use a non-lubricated condom...... The lubed ones can be hygroscopic and could promote rust......... The other advantage of using condoms is that when you run into one of those remote northern girls, you can get her all giddy and worked up by complementing her on her lovely smile and "nice tooth" and voila, relocate the condom from your rifle's barrel to your own, and you're set!!! Like the boy scout's motto suggests: "Be Prepared"


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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: Postman]
      #325015 - 23/02/19 02:52 AM

Pretty common technique, ie covering a muzzle with electrical insulation tape.

Now my Mauser M03 in .404, comes with little orange plastic inserts for the muzzle.

Back to the .45/70 Blaster. I'm glad Daryl mentioned 540 gr hard cast flat meplat projectiles as being effective.

I remember one of the "internet's" key effective recipes for them was they had to be driven really slow, the slower they were pushed the better they perform.

Obviously that magical flat meplat performs, as it makes the "bubble" that magiucally increases a flat meplats effective killing calibre size. A spitzer or round nose of course does not make the magical meplat "bubble" and only drills through a calibre sized hole, but the flat meplat, two or three calibre wound channels. Magic!

But for the .45/70 it must also be driven very slowly. To even be more magical.

Now Daryl is right. A 540 gr Hard Cast projectile will work in the .45/70. Seen one test on a elephant's skull on a fresh kill in Matetsi in Zimbabwe. Not sure about the slower the better though, except too fast might be counter production in the lead bullet might shatter instead. Which is a different story to "being slower, increasing penetration".

Now if I had a .45/70 Blaster, I would load it instead with 400 to 450 gr Barmes X's or a similar bullet. The lesser projectile weight would allow better velocity. And the "Blaster" isn't hampoered by a ridiulous 19th Century tubular magazine where pointed projectiles cause chain reaction explosions ...

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
      #325030 - 23/02/19 05:21 AM

560gr., but what's 20gr.?

The suggestion by Elmer to use the 560gr. at 1,960, instead of the 500gr. jacketed RN at 2,059fps, was due to Elmer surmising that the cast would out-pen the jacketed bullet.

He did not trust Barnes copper tubing solids in lighter weights - or standard for that matter, preferring the steel jacketed ones covered with guilding metal, or a hard cast bullet as noted.

Yes - could have used the Barnes, however only the copper jacketed lead core bullets were available then - no such thing as a TSX or Copper Solid.

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Re: The Blaser R8 in .45/70 for dangerous game [Re: DarylS]
      #325037 - 23/02/19 06:01 AM

Hi Daryl,

The 540 grs was from my memory of wht the guy in the Matetsi actually used. Not to kill an elephant, but to test shoot into th skull of one he had just shot. To see how penetration worked in the skull. He and the PH seemed happy enough with the results. I think his "real" rifle did far better though. He claimed he was coming back the next year to use the .45/70 for his elephant hunt.

My attitude is and was "ho hum, who cares?"

I go for the fun of hunting, not for rich man's multiple trips and needing somethiung else to brag about back home.

I know from that experience however a .45/70 can kill a bull elephant with a skull shot. So can a .303 British btw. Maybe Blaser should chambered some Blasters in .303 British as well.

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