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Rothhammer1
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MS 'Greek' Sporter Conversions - Shooting Times, July 1967
      #324279 - 05/02/19 04:04 PM


Here's another blast from the past, courtesy of member Waidmannsheil.

Author G.A. Yorks provides an overview of the Mannlicher Schönauer's function and gives advice for modifications and restocking to convert the military 'Greek Contract' MS to suit one's taste as a 'sporter'.

I suppose we'll excuse him for referring the Greek, in its original form, as an "ugly duckling" and for advocating removal of the stripper clip feed slots.

These military arms have come into their own as collectibles over the five decades since the article was written in 1967. While this may give pause to some about the idea of 'sporterizing' well preserved originals, there are many well used examples showing various states of decay and abuse which just beg to be 'improved'.

Modifying a Greek Y1903, 1903/14, 1927, or 'System 1930' can be a way to own a budget Mannlicher Schönauer that may be modified, carried over rough terrain and conditions, and fired often without the stigma of having abused a fine, original, MS sporting arm.

Here 'tis, from the July, 1967 issue of Shooting Times:






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Re: MS 'Greek' Sporter Conversions - Shooting Times, July 1967 [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #324317 - 06/02/19 10:54 AM

I made one for myself. I stated with a Greek 1903 action but made a new barrel,(1-8" twist) stock, bolt handle, trigger guard, butt plate and escutcheons. I used a commercial grip cap, front sight and an original rear sight but had to make the sight bases and the barrel band.
I wanted a classic 1910 to 1920 era style rifle, so no scope for this one. First blood with it was an antelope buck last season. With only irons I can't tell how accurate it really is, and I have old eyes now, but I can say that anything I can see out to about 300 yards I can hit, if I shoot from prone.
2018 #1 Ant. Buck by Steve Zihn, on Flickr

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Re: MS 'Greek' Sporter Conversions - Shooting Times, July 1967 [Re: szihn]
      #324325 - 06/02/19 01:51 PM

Quote:

I made one for myself. I stated with a Greek 1903 action but made a new barrel,(1-8" twist) stock, bolt handle, trigger guard, butt plate and escutcheons. I used a commercial grip cap, front sight and an original rear sight but had to make the sight bases and the barrel band.





Nicely done, particularly the stock with its classic lines.

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Re: MS 'Greek' Sporter Conversions - Shooting Times, July 1967 [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #324328 - 06/02/19 02:21 PM

Thank you Roth.


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Re: MS 'Greek' Sporter Conversions - Shooting Times, July 1967 [Re: szihn]
      #324346 - 07/02/19 01:08 AM

Nice antelope Steve and I DO love that little carbine. Thanks for sharing.



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Re: MS 'Greek' Sporter Conversions - Shooting Times, July 1967 [Re: JDL]
      #324347 - 07/02/19 01:15 AM

Roth, thanks for the article. Recently, I saw one made up in .22x54 for sale but, was not interested.

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Re: MS 'Greek' Sporter Conversions - Shooting Times, July 1967 [Re: JDL]
      #324357 - 07/02/19 06:12 AM

Very nice, Steve. What load?

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Re: MS 'Greek' Sporter Conversions - Shooting Times, July 1967 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #324361 - 07/02/19 07:04 AM

Daryl, I am using a 160 grain Hornady or a 156 grain PPU bullet on 39 grain of IMR 4350. PPU brass and WW primer.

I also use the same powder charge under the old 160 grain Sierra, but they stopped making them so that is now in the past.
That buck in the picture was killed with a Sierra, but the bullet broke up (I think)and I had 3 exit wounds. One at a 90 degree angle to the direction of the bullet which you can see in the throat at the very front of the neck. On was where I'd expect it to be, in line with the direction of the hit, and one was a bit off the back-side exit and looked for all the world like a 38 caliber pistol wad-cutter hole. Perfectly round and about 3/8" in diameter.

Kinda weird.

I like shooting the PPU 156 in the rifle, but I have never killed anything with one of them. Has anyone reading this used one before on game?
I'd love to know the details of how well they work (or don't work)
Same with the 285 grain PPU 9.3MM. I have never read or spoken to even one man who has killed game with that one either.


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Re: MS 'Greek' Sporter Conversions - Shooting Times, July 1967 [Re: szihn]
      #324367 - 07/02/19 08:55 AM

TKs Steve.

The only "PPU" I've heard of before this, is some ammo (handloads) for the 6.5x55 that I was given.

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Re: MS 'Greek' Sporter Conversions - Shooting Times, July 1967 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #324375 - 07/02/19 11:03 AM

Well done Steve, thank you for the pic.

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