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Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up)
      #323444 - 19/01/19 10:16 AM

I have a Daniel Fraser takedown m98-type in .303 British. I believe it to be one of the Rigby contracted short-intermediate rimmed cartridge actions as the measurements check out. 23000 Rigby series action with a 3000 series Fraser build. It's a neat rifle built around 1915 ? by my reckoning. It seems there are four grades of which this is likely a number 2 based on number 2 being graved boldly in various locations. That said, it is not as the Jon Speed book states; the .200 inch loa difference between this short-intermediate and the intermediate is in the rails not the front ring. I can't find much information in these actions, so could be wrong, but would like to compare notes with any other owners or resources out there.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: Dogfish858]
      #323446 - 19/01/19 10:47 AM

How about some pix of this interesting rifle?

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: 9.3x57]
      #323450 - 19/01/19 11:40 AM

I would but my photo host is gone. Not sure why but I can't link up anymore.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: 9.3x57]
      #323461 - 19/01/19 06:29 PM

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How about some pix of this interesting rifle?




ditto. Somebody might be able to help put your pics up if you can email them.


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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: Rule303]
      #323463 - 19/01/19 10:00 PM

Is the Magazine box sloping, and does it have a hinged , or non hinged floor plate?
What is the " Mauser " number??
I have one you can compare with, but find another host and put up some pics

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: paradox_]
      #323468 - 20/01/19 02:12 AM

Hinged and sloping yes. 23301 iirc but no Mauser specific stamps or proofs. Found host. No where on this action is there any evidence of adaptation. It is a very slick and well designed rig. The trigger is awesome. Notice how the guard screws are so offset compared to normal. No rust in the action just crud. Stock isn't even saturated. Sorry that there are no full length pics at present.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: Dogfish858]
      #323511 - 20/01/19 10:18 AM

Great rifle and what a find especially in that condition. The action is finished in a very similar manner as the 1895 Mannlicher that I posted not long ago. Very nice and well done.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: Dogfish858]
      #323514 - 20/01/19 10:31 AM

Wow, what a gorgeous and interesting rifle! The trigger guard/slanted magazine looks similar to those used on the military Siamese Mausers for rimmed cartridges.

And I have never seen any mauser trigger like that. Is that lever inside the slotted sear some sort of secondary sear block, like on an English sidelock shotgun?

I do not follow what you mean by the offset TG screws, though.


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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: redoak]
      #323521 - 20/01/19 01:45 PM

I want it! Plain green-eyed envy.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: CptCurl]
      #323523 - 20/01/19 02:21 PM

Sorry, not offset screws so much as how the magazine well is set back from the front screw unlike the norm. Lots of clever design festures for the .303 British...apparently these were designed expressly for it.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: Dogfish858]
      #323557 - 21/01/19 07:19 AM

Wow....nice piece of kit there Dogfish!
Certainly an unusual trigger set up for sure.
Similar arrangement to the P14 extractor


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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: 93x64mm]
      #323575 - 21/01/19 06:42 PM

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That is an Original Short Intermedite, Fraser may have come by it vis Rigby.
First one ive seen by any other maker , other than Rigby.
Earlier ones did have their own number range, and non hinged floorplate as the pic above. These actions are as rare as the proverbial rocking horse poo!!

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: paradox_]
      #323576 - 21/01/19 06:55 PM

This one, clearly left the Mauser plant as a stocked rifle, as I believe most did and delivered to Rigby in a semi finished state.

Note both the Mauser and Rigby numbers in the stock. Rather nice is the Rigby number 3039...matcheing the calibre.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: paradox_]
      #323586 - 22/01/19 01:31 AM

Thx for posting. That is interesting. My stock is most likely Fraser as the overall style is different, also the takedown two piece stock is of similar but mismatching wood. Different checkering from yours and etc. The checkering on your rifle is reminiscent of a Mauser B I have.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: Dogfish858]
      #323614 - 22/01/19 11:29 AM

Dogfish, from what I can see in your pictures, you have a Fraser. Probably put together just preceeding the Great War. The action is a Mauser 1902, IIRC.
The trigger is Fraser's Patent Trigger he used in Mausers and Mannlichers.
It is very typical (for some unknown reason) for Fraser takedown magazine rifles to have mismatching wood. Maybe he could buy short wood cheaper. Scotsmen are a frugal lot, you know.....


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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: MikeRowe]
      #323615 - 22/01/19 12:07 PM

Can you tell us the outside dimensions of the mag box. Did you find this in Canada? or import?

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: Dogfish858]
      #327219 - 13/04/19 07:31 AM

Dogfish, that's a very interesting and beautiful Fraser rifle you have. Some of the pictures have disappeared can you re post them ?

The Magazine box on your rifle certainly looks purpose built for a rimmed .303 cartridge.

I did see a Fraser rifle once that was marked 303 but had a standard style magazine box. A member of this Forum brought it to my attention that Fraser also produced a proprietary "Rimless" 303 cartridge as well.

To my eyes, the Fraser Mausers are some of the most beautiful magazine rifles ever made. Enjoy yours !

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: KWJohnston]
      #327232 - 13/04/19 08:01 PM

Lots of similarities to the Siamese Mauser, from the magazine design (including the catch)to the shape of the right locking lug and extractor. Out of curiosity, does a .303 rim a neat fit in the bolt face recess or is there a bit of wiggle room? The Siamese cartridge had a rim diameter of approx .561" vs .540" for the .303 Brit.

The prototypes for the Siamese Mauser were made by Mauser in Germany. Due to strains on manufacturing capacity caused by the number of other contracts, the main production run for the Siamese Mauser was done by the Koishikawa arsenal in Japan. Its possible that some of the German produced prototype actions entered the civilian arms market when the main production transferred to Japan.


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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser [Re: MikeRowe]
      #327272 - 14/04/19 10:26 PM

When the rifle arrives here in Colorado I will post more pictures. Thanks Andrew!

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: Hunter4752001]
      #328004 - 04/05/19 01:05 AM

I believe the "Fraser .303" was the English designation for the 7.65x53 Argentine/ Belgian, much in the same way "275 Rigby" was for the 7x57 Mauser.

It looks like a few photos have disappeared, specifically one showing the trigger action if I remember right. I'd sure appreciate it if someone could re-upload that.


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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: AdamFromMN]
      #328019 - 04/05/19 06:52 AM

The .303 is a rimmed cartridge. The 7,65 x53 is a rimless design.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: justcurious]
      #328020 - 04/05/19 07:25 AM

In response to KWJohnston's observation that he had seen a Fraser marked as "303" but had a standard rimless cartridge-style box magazine:


.303” Mauser (7.65mm Fraser)

The rimless case of this cartridge was the same as that of the 7.65 x 53 mm Belgian Mauser cartridge, with a length of 2.080” - 2.100”, and the round had a bullet diameter of .311”. The case was stamped 7.65 mm ELEY and was produced for the firm of Daniel Fraser in Edinburgh. Fraser loaded the case with his patented oblique ratchet soft-nose bullet. (Fleming; 30, 31, 206; Hoyem; 144, 213)


http://www.acant.org.au/Articles/Other303Cartridges.html

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: AdamFromMN]
      #328041 - 04/05/19 07:27 PM

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=101008&an=0&page=0 Fraser

The Fraser Mod 98 (slanted magazine box ) was strictly for the rimmed .303 British cartridge.

A few Fraser Mod 93 actions are reported for the Fraser .303 cartridge (rimless aka 7,65 x 53 Belgium)


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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: Dogfish858]
      #328256 - 12/05/19 01:54 AM

Interesting that Fraser would be willing to use a special slant magazine box for the .303 British round when they could have used the standard box and the rimless .303 Fraser (7.65 Argentine) round. I guess the client is never wrong. If they requested that a Bespoke rifle fire the plentiful .303 British ammo, Fraser would fulfill the request.

As a side note, It's a shame the 7.65 Argentine was never popular. If only the name .303 Fraser Rimless had been more widely used (think .275 Rigby vs 7x57) then maybe it would have stood a better chance.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: KWJohnston]
      #330352 - 21/07/19 02:19 AM

Many Thanks to Dogfish, it is really a great rifle in need of some TLC. It will get the stock rubbed out, a new pad, a good clean and oil and possibly the slight damage to the rear sight and it's base repaired. Very good bore too!
















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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: bouldersmith]
      #330399 - 22/07/19 04:14 PM

This rifle has so much potential! What a great find.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: bouldersmith]
      #330401 - 22/07/19 06:45 PM

I bet she's got a few stories to tell. Nice find especially with a good bore.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: BillG500]
      #330509 - 24/07/19 10:02 PM

That's a screamer! Please post photos after Steve does his magic.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: bouldersmith]
      #337344 - 03/02/20 03:53 AM

I have been working on taking photos with my new camera and thought I would update this thread. Damage to rear sight and its base cleaned up, Fore end hanger re-attached, rust blue blended with existing finish. New recoil pad, a clean and oil which was desperately needed, a few small stock repairs and the original linseed oil finish was found under the oxidized black oil on top. Not a restoration, just a well deserved deep cleaning.















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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: bouldersmith]
      #337353 - 03/02/20 05:00 AM

Very tasteful "rejuvenation" and great rifle!
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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: Louis]
      #337355 - 03/02/20 06:00 AM

Steve, I responded to your post over at the other place as well. Thought this might be a more appropriate place to ask my question..

Every Mauser rifle I have seen from Fraser was built as a stalking rifle in light/medium calibers. Seems to have been there specialty. Have you (or any other members) ever come across a big bore Mauser built by Fraser?

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: KWJohnston]
      #337356 - 03/02/20 06:04 AM

I have never had a large bore Fraser Mauser in the shop. I agree with you that most Fraser sporting rifles of all types fall into the small to medium bore category.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: KWJohnston]
      #337382 - 04/02/20 12:34 AM

Quote:

Steve, I responded to your post over at the other place as well. Thought this might be a more appropriate place to ask my question..

Every Mauser rifle I have seen from Fraser was built as a stalking rifle in light/medium calibers. Seems to have been there specialty. Have you (or any other members) ever come across a big bore Mauser built by Fraser?

Thanks,




The largest bore magazine rifle he did was in .375EX I believe, I have a quote from him somewhere, that says anything larger than that in a magazine rifle and its too awkward of a rifle.


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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: Gundog01]
      #337396 - 04/02/20 06:47 AM

I love this rifle, I will most likely have my Siamese mauser stocked the same as it...........it's not so much a "big bore" rifle, but a "big bore" stock.
It as still only a 303, most of Fraser's rifles were 7mm or 7.65, whereas this this one has the look of a heavy calibre safari rifle......love it!

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: Gundog01]
      #337397 - 04/02/20 06:51 AM

Gundog, you are correct, 375 NE was the largest cartridge that his rifles were chambered for.

Very nice rifle by the way and a very nice restoration.

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #337400 - 04/02/20 07:03 AM

Not brought back to 'new, but tastefully rejuvenated to show the 'experience' this rifle has!
Brilliant work again there bouldersmith!


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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: 93x64mm]
      #339047 - 14/03/20 09:27 AM

Looks great! Of all the rifles I've handled, this rifle is the most perfect combination of little details. Zoom in, and the rifle just gets nicer. The rifle is a datum for quality.

Good work eh?

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: Dogfish858]
      #339051 - 14/03/20 12:35 PM

The Alex Henry forend is really nice to see - or is that a Fraser forend?

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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: Louis]
      #339221 - 20/03/20 04:02 PM

Any chance you could post closeup photos of the take down area. I am working on building a Mauser take down and could use some ideas of how others were done.
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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: Rolland]
      #339230 - 21/03/20 08:14 AM

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Any chance you could post closeup photos of the take down area. I am working on building a Mauser take down and could use some ideas of how others were done.
Thanks




Yes I'd love to see some close ups of that take down system too.
That is indeed a very nice rifle!


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Re: Dan'l Fraser .303 British Mauser (Pics Up) [Re: 4seventy]
      #339235 - 21/03/20 10:17 AM

Matt, I assume you mean the 9.5x57 MS?

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