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airgun rat shooting with night vision scope
      #323013 - 05/01/19 07:11 AM

if you think you had seen all - starts at 13.20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7qAIwysavo

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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: lancaster]
      #323015 - 05/01/19 08:14 AM

Dang you had me going.. thought they were shooting democrat's.. well, basically the same thing.

Seems like a LOT of money and equipment to shoot a rat..but hey, each to their own..

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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: Ripp]
      #323018 - 05/01/19 10:49 AM

That would be more fun with full powered air rifles AND a LOT of practise and gear set-up.
The guns used in most UK videos are sub 12FPE, so around 800fps in .177 with an 8gr. pellet, and 600fps with a standard 14.43gr. Pellet. Hitting small targets at 50yards with these ballistics requires rather expensive air rifles.
Cheap springers in the $300.00 range are next to usless for this purpose.

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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: DarylS]
      #323026 - 05/01/19 09:18 PM

my haenel springer will do the job at 12 meter in day light but 25 meter will give a ballistic path. yes, its a playground for equipment fetichist but the local farmer will like it. in the end there is a practical value for field target shooting with airguns.

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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: lancaster]
      #323042 - 06/01/19 06:10 AM

I was able to quite easily smack Columbia Ground Squirrels out to 50 meters with my Weirhach M97KT .177 using 8 gr. Predator pellets. These ran 890fps in my rifle. The 8.3gr JSB 4.51mm Cometa match rn's were slightly more accurate, but the Predators had a better terminal performance, being plastic tipped HP's. I was able to make head and chest hits st that range with the HW97. They are the best springers imho.

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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: DarylS]
      #323063 - 07/01/19 03:52 AM

890 f/sec is 270 m/sec, in the end not sooo much more then 220 m/sec from 60 years old Haenel springer

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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: lancaster]
      #323066 - 07/01/19 05:11 AM

9.2fpe for your old Haenel vs 14fpe for the non-magun HW.That makes the HW 65%more powerful having 890fps compared to 721fps

That is quite a difference, in air rifle terms.

The HW's are not what you would call magnum springers. That breed of animal.rarely shows accuracy useable past about 15 meters due to generating too much speed for waisted pellets.(diabolo shape)

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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: DarylS]
      #323068 - 07/01/19 05:36 AM

The airgun market has changed VERY considerably since I was a kid!!!! I stumbled into a modern airgun shop in Peterborough, Ontario and was totally blown away by the new technology available to the modern airgunner.... I walked in looking for a heavy and powerful springer and ended up with a pre charged pneumatic. Calibers run from the very mundane .177 pellet guns out to .50 caliber!!!!!! I ended up purchasing a .22 but in hindsight I wish I’d have bought a .25. The FX line of pellet guns are smooth bores with rifling in the last 4 inches of barrel and are accurate to a fault. I ended up with an FX Royale model.

After I “liberated” my fancy new pellet gun from the store, I brought it home, mounted a scope, pumpd up the carbon fibre cylinder, loaded the rotary magazine, and then settled in to shoot some test rounds. The first shot was on paper but I couldnt find where the next several shots went...... I came to realize with utter shock and total disbelief that all the pellets went in the SAME HOLE!!!!!!! Only 25 feet between the muzzle and the target, but still, accuracy like that from a pellet gun? And a pellet gun that crowds 1200 fps to boot!!! The damn thing is able to shoot a .22 pellet clean through a pine 2x4!!!!!!!!!!

I absolutely love the pre charged design as it allows a rotary magazine which means the rifle functions similar to a bolt action cartridge rifle in that I don’t have to do much of anything other than to quickly and effortlessly work the bolt in order to shoot the next round. The internal regulator ensures stable and constant velocity from shot to shot which means better consistency from shot to shot.

This is serious shit!!!!!!! The reason I would have preferred the .25 caliber is that the pellets are near twice as heavy as the .22 pellets and shoot to a similar velocity which to me means superior penetration and hunting performance.




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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: Postman]
      #323094 - 08/01/19 04:25 AM

The FX'S are very serious and extremely well made rifles.
They are the cat's ass.
I suggest you watch some of Ted Bier's "Ted's Holdover" videos on U-Tube. Hr actually did a video on the over stability of the waisted pellets in the FX Royal, I think it was.

One of them was about the over speed of some FX rifles.
This causes inaccuracy at extended ranges due to the pellets girarion around the point of aim.
The FX rifle should be adjustable and adjusted to give about 960fps. This speed or slightly lower will give excellent accuracy to in excess of 200yards with the heavier of the match pellets.
I suggest the 19.09grm H&N Barracuda as well as the 22gr. H&N Match. JSB pellets will also shoot well, maybe better than the H&N's.

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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: DarylS]
      #323095 - 08/01/19 04:36 AM

The .25's do deliver a power boost over the .22's for sure.
Some FX's do fine with bullets, some don't due to being rifled for diabolo shaped pellets.
N.O.E. Bullet moulds in Oregon (I think) has a special run of 22 and larger bullet moulds for air rifles, called Bob's Boattails.
I have one of these moulds for my Condor, casting 4, 51gr. FN BT's per throw. The moulds are beautifully made, aluminum & and finely finished. He also makes HP designs as well as a varity of hollow based weights in different calibers.
The hollow point cavities are adjustable on some moulds.

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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: DarylS]
      #323109 - 08/01/19 06:27 PM

its an interesting subculture were you spend thousends on guns and opitics it seems

ws on the Haendler&Naterman site yesterday
what gun shot the .35/ 9 mm Grizzly bullet here https://www.hn-sport.de/en/air-gun-hunting

I would feel more comfortable with an airgun that shoot the .25 bullet at 300m/sec or more







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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: lancaster]
      #323128 - 09/01/19 07:07 AM

Thanks for the link, lancster. Those H&N Piledrivers at 29.95gr., round nosed BT's should be cats-ass for the more powerful, adjustable power PCP's, like the Air Force Condor.
At 950fps, that would be 60, FPE.

https://dlairgun.com/collections/airforc...t=7071469764668

Mine has an Optisan Viper UTG scope on it with a 4" side wheel. 30mm tube and 6-24X56IRS.

https://www.topairgun.com/30mm-optisan-viper-6-24x56-sf-ir-air-rifle-scope-6-inch-side-wheel

This scope is supposed to handle the .5 Browning. The air rifle is pretty easy on it.

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Re: airgun rat shooting with night vision scope [Re: DarylS]
      #323137 - 09/01/19 09:04 AM

Just got this from a friend here in PG.

"I ordered some spares for my FX Impacts (regulator removal/installation tool, titanium valves and regulator service kits) from FX USA in North Carolina about three weeks ago. Noticed it first went to Miami International. A week later it arrived in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Been back and forth with them. Apparently now floating somewhere else in South America. Hmm."

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