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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: Daryl_S]
      #307225 - 04/11/17 11:29 AM

I've been away for a while.
This thread warms my soul.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: tinker]
      #307245 - 05/11/17 06:41 AM

my pleasure!

if I had more time for such things would go deeper into muzzle loader shooting and hunting. so its just enough lifetime to clean the black powder breech loader.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: tinker]
      #308395 - 28/11/17 05:29 AM

"A SUBSTANTIAL 11-BORE PERCUSSION SPORTING-RIFLE FOR DANGEROUS GAME, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number,
possibly Persian and for the near eastern market with heavy fine damascus 29 3/4in. barrel carved with raised arabesque caps at muzzle and breech and a raised intermittent sighting rib joined with narrow carved bars, all with traces of gilt koftgari-work, dove-tailed foresight with small side protectors, folding tang sight (incomplete), the top of breech with Arabic maker's mark repeated on the borderline and scroll engraved bar action lock, scroll engraved hammer (spur repaired), walnut full-stock with carved raised cheek-piece, skip-chequered at the wrist with relief scroll carved pommel, engraved iron patch-box and heel-plate, winged sidenail escutcheon, single set trigger, sling swivels and under-barrel ramrod (wood with some cracks and repairs, one barrel-key absent) "
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...417&image=5

















"AN UNUSUAL .450 & 16-BORE PERCUSSION FOUR-BARRELLED TURN-OVER SPORTING COMBINATION GUN, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number,
possibly American, with 27in. barrel-group, the side by side shot barrels of twist iron, the heavy rifle barrels of iron, each pair with their own front and rear-sights, the rotation locked by an auxilliary trigger forwards of the guard, plain back-action locks, winged tang sight, walnut butt-stock of 'Kentucky' form with iron crescent heel-plate, raised trigger-guard lower tang, spurred bow and ramrod stored alongside barrel "
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...418&image=1









16 ga gun
http://www.jadis38.fr/en/carabine-de-cha...85_388-967.html









































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Edited by lancaster (28/11/17 05:45 AM)


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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #308401 - 28/11/17 06:47 AM

Those are super cool! - especially the swivel barrel gun.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #313308 - 01/03/18 12:00 AM

double gun by Fischer ( think its understandable what this means in english, look at the sideplates) in Mehlis, later part of Zella Mehlis
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/dubbelpipig-jaktboessa/i4929517/#













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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #313310 - 01/03/18 02:11 AM

Nice! I love those hammers.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: cordite]
      #313328 - 01/03/18 09:01 AM

Cordite - Plus one for the hammers

An interesting gun all round

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: cordite]
      #313330 - 01/03/18 09:03 AM

Cordite - Plus one for those hammers

An interesting gun all round

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: Daryl_S]
      #313332 - 01/03/18 09:09 AM

I use the internet bidding when I cannot get to the auction itself

I bid on the 4 barrel and thought I had it when it came up as "sold to the internet"

When I telephoned them to pay I was told another internet bidder had put the same bid in 0.35 of a second earlier!!!

Most p......d off I would have gone much more for such an interesting item

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: TH44]
      #313360 - 01/03/18 08:59 PM

know it, was the owner of a Mannlicher Schönauer for fraction of second once

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: tinker]
      #316078 - 04/05/18 07:32 PM

14,5mm double rifle "Franz Contriner in Wien" 1811 - 1878,
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6936161
















































http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6936161

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: tinker]
      #320355 - 04/10/18 03:12 AM

16 ga double gun Rudolf Schilling in Suhl
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7136918













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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: Ash]
      #322938 - 02/01/19 07:04 PM

This is an interesting French rifle, with both flintlock and percussion ignition - something I have never seen.

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=7239984

Description in French:

Rare carabine française de grande chasse de "Devisme Breveté à Paris" à silex ET à percussion, un coup, calibre 17,5 mm. Fort canon patiné, rayé, rond, à pans au tonnerre, signé sur la bande "Devisme Breveté à Paris". Platine avant signée et chien à corps plat. Tres rare systeme de mise à feu, à la fois par silex et par percussion, certainement une commande privée vers 1840. Garnitures en fer ciselé. Crosse à fût court, en noyer en partie quadrillé et rehaussé de clous en or. Baguette en fer d'origine et en maillechort sur l'embout pour protéger les rayures. Helas il manque ca hausse d'origine à feuillet. Longueur: 118 cm longueur du canon : 79,1 cm Tres bon etat ! Vers 1840. Louis-François, Alexis et Fabrique DEVISME: fondé en 1834. Nombreux brevets d'invention français et belges, 1854-1860. Exposition de Paris en 1839 Je reste à votre disposition pour tous autres renseignements...

There is also an automatic translation into German but this is more funny than informative












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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: fuhrmann]
      #322952 - 03/01/19 06:27 AM

give it a try with the google translator
"Rare French hunting rifle of "Devisme patented in Paris" with flint and percussion, one shot, caliber 17.5 mm. Strong barrel patinated, striped, round, with thunder pans, signed on the tape "Devisme Patented in Paris". Platinum front signed and flat dog. Very rare system of firing, both flint and percussion, certainly a private order around 1840. Trim chiselled iron. Crosse was short, partly walnut checkered and enhanced with gold nails. Original iron rod and nickel silver on the tip to protect the scratches. Alas it misses this original rise to slip. Length: 118 cm Barrel length: 79,1 cm Very good condition! Around 1840. Louis-François, Alexis and Fabrique DEVISME: founded in 1834. Numerous French and Belgian patents, 1854-1860. Exhibition of Paris in 1839 I remain at your disposal for all other information ..." make sense

the combination of percussion and flint look make its very unique! can't remember such a system before

the checkering combined with nails was ala mode in the early 1830s

here on a very early Dreyse needle fire double gun


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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #322958 - 03/01/19 07:56 AM

Wow, for the man who subscribes to Belt AND Suspenders!

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: 9.3x57]
      #323049 - 06/01/19 11:17 AM

I too have never seen such a thing, lovely rifle, would be most interesting to try here out. I like the idea of the redundancy if you run out of caps, go back to flint. I imagine that was the idea of this system.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: Heelerau]
      #323052 - 06/01/19 12:31 PM

My guess as well, Gordon.

I have seen a conversion to cap with the upright blade of the frizzen cut off and a nipple screwed into the rounded "top" of the frizzen's pan cover.

The pan could be lifted by the nipple and primed to ensuring ignition.

There was a cap-lock hammer nose held in the slightly altered jaws of the flintlock's cock.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: tinker]
      #325278 - 01/03/19 12:47 AM

15 mm caliber, ex flintlock than percussion lock hunting rifle

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: Ash]
      #325307 - 01/03/19 10:22 PM

They are works of art !

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: Heelerau]
      #325321 - 02/03/19 07:40 AM

They certainly are that.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: Daryl_S]
      #325390 - 04/03/19 07:33 AM

and one more Ischler Stutzen from Leithner, this one a muzzle loader, ca. 1860.
Leithner obviously created a fashion and stuck to it

https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/...mp;currentpos=2











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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: fuhrmann]
      #325399 - 04/03/19 11:42 AM

A closeup of the rear sight would have been nice.

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