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Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks
      #32263 - 29/05/05 02:51 AM








I used a set of shooting sticks I purchased from www.long-grass.com They're made of oak, and each leg comes in two sections held in place with a brass or copper sleeve. The tops are coated in rubber to protect your rifle stock (the new version will be topped in wrapped leather). They're the best shooting sticks I've seen, and my P.H. liked them very much as well.

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #32418 - 31/05/05 01:24 AM

They look great and being made from oak it won't have that tang noise of alluminium sticks when hitting branches and brush

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: SafariHunt]
      #32419 - 31/05/05 01:27 AM

I never liked shooting sticks. It always seemed to take too long to set them up and they call for one more person to tag along. Turns a hunting party into a hunting parade.

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: mickey]
      #32423 - 31/05/05 02:15 AM

I always foul up when shooting from sticks.

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: mickey]
      #32462 - 31/05/05 10:41 AM

I carried my rifle, and my P.H. carried the shooting sticks. They set up in 2 seconds or less with practice.

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: mickey]
      #32469 - 31/05/05 11:01 AM

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I never liked shooting sticks. It always seemed to take too long to set them up and they call for one more person to tag along. ...





I've found they work best when you have a PH and a tracker. Or I suppose two trackers. One tracker has to quickly set them up for you. Or the PH could do it as well, except sometimes the PH should be concentrating on the game especially when you the client are unsure which animal is which and which to take. Hunting by yourself they are difficult to use quickly.

Also I think the extra movement often spooks game so a quick shot as soon as possible afterwards needs to be taken.

My first safari I did not use them but did on the next two.

However on balance I do like them, especially in Africa.

They allow a much steadier shot than off hand. Also there are some places even where hunting by oneself that shooting sticks of some kind are needed. One example I know of is a place I sometimes hunt fallow stag. It is flat low land country with lots and lots of small bushes for the deer to hide among. A human walking along sticks out but the deer are hidden. No tree or similar is possible for a rest and the bushes are twiggy and too weak to use as a rest. Off-hand shots of 150 plus yards are often needed. Getting closer to the deer almost always spooks them. A good place for this sort of portable rest.



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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: NitroX]
      #32496 - 31/05/05 11:45 PM

Both of my poor shots in South Africa were off of shooting sticks. I didn't practice enough with them before I went and then the PH had a set that were too unstable for the sandy soil where we hunted. At least the set in this photo look substantial. But what is wrong with a good sitting or kneeling position for taking shots? I can certainly shoot tighter groups using them than with sticks. Hunted in North America all my life and never felt the need for them. How is Africa any different?

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: Plains99]
      #32527 - 01/06/05 04:49 AM

On this hunt, the grass was unusually high-3' and higher. Sitting or kneeling would have been impossible.

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #32544 - 01/06/05 01:07 PM

Nothing wrong with using any form of rest which increases steadiness. And shooting sticks are traditionally African. Why not?



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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: NitroX]
      #32556 - 02/06/05 12:36 AM

In reply to:

Nothing wrong with using any form of rest which increases steadiness. And shooting sticks are traditionally African. Why not?




1. To me it feels like cheating. But more importantly,

2. My shots inexplicably go awry when I use sticks.

If I cannot hit a cape buffalo at 20 yards offhand, I deserve to go home empty handed. And I practice a lot offhand, sitting, prone, and kneeling (to a lesser extent), and I know what I can do from those positions.

So let me give you a few examples:

a. Impala standing at 40 yards. Leaned across shooting sticks. CLEAN MISS.

b. Warthog running broadside at 150 yards. One shot fired from offhand took him through the lungs.

c. Baboon running broadside at 125 yards. One shot fired offhand went through the lungs.

There are more examples in both categories.

If someone wants to use shooting sticks, that's fine with me. But I won't touch them.


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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: 500grains]
      #32565 - 02/06/05 09:43 AM

In reply to:

To me it feels like cheating.




but then

In reply to:

My shots inexplicably go awry when I use sticks.




So it is making it more sporting to the animal .

Only joking of course.

I don't think anyone should be needing sticks on a buffalo at 20 yards. However one at 150 yards may be a different propositions. Also what about a 100 yard shot at a dik dik. Small and medium game are also relevant. Your examples are fine examples of off-hand shooting. Most people are not capable of doing that consistently.

I agree using some rests like a Harris Bipod are so steady it doesn't feel sporting, more like bench shooting. These products have their place too though. I like to use mine for head shooting hares in long vine rows.



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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: NitroX]
      #32569 - 02/06/05 11:54 AM

Nitrox,

If I took my trusty Husqy 30-06 for PG, then hitting a standing jackal at 150 yards offhand would not be a problem. But if I miss, that's ok too because I am there for a challenging hunt. If the shots and stalks are too easy, I would feel a bit bad about it. Kind of like shooting prarie dogs at 100 yards. It's not fair until they are over 200 yards, and no bipods allowed.

As for buff at 20 yards from sticks, guys will do it.


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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: 500grains]
      #32587 - 02/06/05 11:20 PM

using shooting sticks to me is making sure of a clean quick kill! My PH puts the sticks up in no time, I've made alot of great shots with them. When I practice at home I shoot off the sticks as well as off hand.

Agree - - a 20 yard shot is fine off hand, I shot a giraffe at 70 to 80 yards off hand, no problem. If you want to brag about shooting everything off hand that's fine but you better be doing alot of practicing off hand too! many hunters don't practice off hand, they shouldn't be trying to pull off a shot off hand eather!

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: Widowmaker416]
      #32613 - 03/06/05 11:43 PM

Yeah, I guess the point that I was making is that I didn't practice enough shooting off them before I went over. It was an error I won't make again. In 3 foot high grass you are certainly limited to what you can use. I also agree that using any shooting support system is not cheating... as long as you don't get so involved in dragging out a bunch of crap and delaying a shot opportunity. I've hunted with people where, by the time they gathered up their shooting systems and lined out their scopes and got into position, I could have eaten an nice sack lunch. Have any of you had the PH let you use his shooting sticks when you were doing the preliminary sight in? Get the feel of them? That seems like it might be a viable method of testing your capabilities before the hunt. When you are lining up on something that is hardly the time to get a shooting lesson on unfamiliar shooting sticks.

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: Plains99]
      #32624 - 04/06/05 03:18 AM

You're so right about practiceing with the shooting sticks. I had a difficult time using them the first couple of times I tried them, but the more I used them, the more comfortable I became with their use. After about 6 or 7 visits to the range, I was able to hold 3 shots in a 4 - 5 inch circle at 200 yards - plenty accurate for hunting. Practice, practice, practice.

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #32626 - 04/06/05 05:14 AM

And good shooting sticks like you have in your photos. I am much more impressed with the looks of these than any I've used.

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #32627 - 04/06/05 06:48 AM

On balance, I like shooting sticks and carried a single stick for years while guiding antelope hunts here. One problem with many stick sets is that they are a "one size fits all" design.

My favorites are the ones that the PH makes and have only rubber bands holding them together. The bands can be raised or lowered as necessary to accomodate the hunter's heigth or for shooting up or down hill.

I won't be around the metal sticks that clank.

Does anyone else shoot off a single stick?

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: Plains99]
      #32628 - 04/06/05 07:10 AM

I just ordered another set of these shooting sticks yesterday. The new sticks will have one change to them:the rubber coated tops of the sticks are being replaced with leather wrapped tops. Apparantly, the rubber was very caustic during the manufacturing process, and also, the rubber wasn't holding up as well as they would have liked, hence, the change.

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: luv2safari]
      #32629 - 04/06/05 07:15 AM

I cut my sticks to fit my 6' 2" frame, but the one P.H. in camp, who is 6' 6" liked the way they fit him.

I've tried the single stick, but could never quite get comfortable with it, unless I had a handy tree to use as an assist. Same thing with the tall bi-pod types too.


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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #32630 - 04/06/05 08:08 AM

I use the bamboo sticks, 3 bamboo sticks rapped together with intertube, (cut into 1/4 inch wide strips).

When it's time to shoot, the PH throws the leading stick forward, two back sticks out, and I settle the gun right in them, it all takes less then a second. At the begining of the hunt I adjust the sticks so it's comfortable for me, after that, everytime I go to shoot the sticks are right there!!

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: NitroX]
      #32968 - 13/06/05 02:55 AM

NitroX, a set of these shooting sticks will be on its way to you by the end of this week. Now you can stop bugging me to take photos of mine for you to see. You can take your own darn photos .

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #32996 - 13/06/05 03:26 PM

Mike

Completely un-necessary but thank you very much. I look forward to them and will use them with pleasure.

We will have to try them out on some water buffalo or deer down-under one day I think.



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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: NitroX]
      #33018 - 14/06/05 01:39 AM

Consider them a token of my thanks and appreciation for providing this great site, where civil people can express and share ideas.

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: NitroX]
      #33496 - 21/06/05 08:21 AM

NitroX, the shooting sticks were mailed out today. There was a delay because the owners husband suffered a cardiac "incident" while jogging about a week and a half ago. He's alright now, and the sticks are on the way to Oz.

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Re: Namibia Safari - Shooting Sticks [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #33501 - 21/06/05 01:09 PM

No problem. Thanks. If they arrive at similar times as the ammo components I will try a 9.3mm on them.

Glad the business owner is recovering.

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