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Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe
      #322562 - 18/12/18 06:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQG1bHugZRA

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: lancaster]
      #322570 - 18/12/18 08:44 AM

I hunted with a fellow in Zaire/Congo who used a bolt action muzzle loader. Wish I had a close photo of it. Ingenious to be sure.

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: 9.3x57]
      #322576 - 18/12/18 01:46 PM

When I first started shooting I think I fired that same gun with the pistol grips.

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: Wayne59]
      #322590 - 19/12/18 03:32 AM

So we learned its hard to get blackpowder in rhodesia and south africa today but where did they get caps? There must be something on the black market for the muzzle loader in this country's.

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: lancaster]
      #322594 - 19/12/18 06:14 AM

Scary, especially the shot shell firing gun.

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: lancaster]
      #322599 - 19/12/18 10:48 AM

I think they knock the cap back into shape & fill with match head compound mix, same as the guys I hunted with in Sumatra many Moons ago !

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: lancaster]
      #322607 - 19/12/18 01:08 PM

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I think they knock the cap back into shape & fill with match head compound mix, same as the guys I hunted with in Sumatra many Moons ago !




Yes. That makes sense.

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So we learned its hard to get blackpowder in rhodesia and south africa today but where did they get caps? There must be something on the black market for the muzzle loader in this country's.




For some reason, BP could be had fairly easily in Shaba/Katanga Province Zaire/Congo in 1981.

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: 9.3x57]
      #322614 - 19/12/18 07:45 PM

I would think that black powder and caps must be some things you will allways find.

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: lancaster]
      #322617 - 19/12/18 10:53 PM

Caps can be made with a punch and a beer can, too.

I seem to remember a gizmo one could actually buy years ago for that. At any rate, I've heard of it done.

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: 9.3x57]
      #323138 - 09/01/19 09:27 AM

Children can make percussion caps from matchheads and heavy foil, so I hear. ;-)

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: 9.3x57]
      #323150 - 09/01/19 11:59 AM

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Caps can be made with a punch and a beer can, too.

I seem to remember a gizmo one could actually buy years ago for that. At any rate, I've heard of it done.




I have one of those, Rod. Tap-O-Cap by Forester. Quite a tool. At that time, late 70's here, all of our beer cans and pop cans were thin steel. It still worked, but was hard on them tool's teeth. I had to sharpen it a few times. Still works though. Aluminum would be a snap. The steel caps, would barely spread a bit upon firing. I would rinse them in water, then spread out to dry. Once dry, I simply put another drop of compound in them. Once dry they were good as new.
Instead of using kids caps, I made my own detonating compound from 5:1:1
Potassium Chlorate, Sulfur, charcoal.

I used appocthocary's potassium chlorate, sublimed sulfur and lacking real charcoal, I used ground up briquets.

The mix I made may have been extra volatile due to the flour of sulfur (sublimed)& chemicals in the Briquets as well as due to mixing it up in a slurry(with water). I dried it then carefully, wit my fingers, broke it up into powder.
I would put a drop of slurry into each home made percussion cup, then let it dry.

As to it's power I also tried making explosive bullets with it, for my custom .58 S. Hawken rifle, as well as filling the little cavities in .22 Stinger ammo, then smeared the holes over with beeswax. The 'loaded' stingers didn't hold much of the powder, but would cut off a 1" willow stalk with one shot.
I filled a 3/8"x1/2" hole in a shallow skirted (modified plunger) Minnie Ball, then smeared beeswax over that. 3 of those would cut off a 13" aspen tree, leaving the blasted area blacked.
That was fun, but likely dangerous. This was about

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: Story]
      #323155 - 09/01/19 06:58 PM

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Children can make percussion caps from matchheads and heavy foil, so I hear. ;-)



Yep bolt 'bombs'! Use 2 bolts & a nut holding both, fill void with match heads & screw finger tight.
Hide behind a brick wall whilst throwing it at a far corner - they go off with a fair old BANG & it separates the 2 bolts at bloody high velocity!
Note to all who dare try this......watch out as they travel a sizable distance with considerable force! Yeah we used to do dumb things as kids!!!!


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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: DarylS]
      #323501 - 20/01/19 07:30 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Caps can be made with a punch and a beer can, too.

I seem to remember a gizmo one could actually buy years ago for that. At any rate, I've heard of it done.




I have one of those, Rod. Tap-O-Cap by Forester. Quite a tool. At that time, late 70's here, all of our beer cans and pop cans were thin steel. It still worked, but was hard on them tool's teeth. I had to sharpen it a few times. Still works though. Aluminum would be a snap. The steel caps, would barely spread a bit upon firing. I would rinse them in water, then spread out to dry. Once dry, I simply put another drop of compound in them. Once dry they were good as new.
Instead of using kids caps, I made my own detonating compound from 5:1:1
Potassium Chlorate, Sulfur, charcoal.

I used appocthocary's potassium chlorate, sublimed sulfur and lacking real charcoal, I used ground up briquets.

The mix I made may have been extra volatile due to the flour of sulfur (sublimed)& chemicals in the Briquets as well as due to mixing it up in a slurry(with water). I dried it then carefully, wit my fingers, broke it up into powder.
I would put a drop of slurry into each home made percussion cup, then let it dry.

As to it's power I also tried making explosive bullets with it, for my custom .58 S. Hawken rifle, as well as filling the little cavities in .22 Stinger ammo, then smeared the holes over with beeswax. The 'loaded' stingers didn't hold much of the powder, but would cut off a 1" willow stalk with one shot.
I filled a 3/8"x1/2" hole in a shallow skirted (modified plunger) Minnie Ball, then smeared beeswax over that. 3 of those would cut off a 13" aspen tree, leaving the blasted area blacked.
That was fun, but likely dangerous. This was about




Somehow I missed this post. Yes, that's the thing.

I reckon a guy could figure a way to fit one in a shotshell too if forced to.

Better off just buying a case of primers I guess, but necessity is the mother of invention as it goes!

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: 9.3x57]
      #323551 - 21/01/19 05:55 AM

dont believe its possible with the matches here, must be another mixture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW0QSX4NcU0

better to have this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p7LvjiHWCw

must be this stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1086&v=jA7mirwyjX0

to get the primer compound was allways the wet dream of the people reloading obsolete rimfire cartridges

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Re: Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe [Re: lancaster]
      #354122 - 06/06/21 04:48 PM

because its the "bimbo gun" thread

another interesting example is this 1874 gras converted into a small bore shotgun and sold on the african market. it was later married with a K 98k stock and having ethioping charakter.
for the bush gunmaker nothing is imposssible https://www.gunbroker.com/item/901234414











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