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Bidyanus1
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Husqvarna 1640- I think
      #321944 - 28/11/18 11:14 AM

Team, Im looking at Husky 8x57. I think its a 1640 or around that era. However it does not have the 3rd mauser safty lug.
The receiver has never been screwed for mounts and it has open sights.
It does have the groves for the stripper clip but not the thumb cut out in the receiver. The serial number is 84250 if thats any help and is where its suppose to be on the left hand side of the barrel just in fron of the receiver.
Its controlled round Feed

I "think" its an FN action.

However because the 3rd lug is missing Im just not sure and as such loath to purchase. Does anyone know if either Husqvarna or FN made actions as described above but without the 3rd lug?

Thanks in anticipation

Id post some photos but I cant work out how to do that


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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: Bidyanus1]
      #321947 - 28/11/18 11:54 AM

I "think" this is the link to my drop box to some photos of the bolt. I cant see any FN or Husqvara markings except British Proof markings and the chap selling it is not being much help...which is another reason why Im a bit suspect

If someone could tell me the photo link is working that would help

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0nej5c7rfr2ph3q/AAB6UuRW34-qwkUhXoAE4udTa?dl=0


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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: Bidyanus1]
      #321948 - 28/11/18 11:59 AM

Bidyanus1,
I can see your photos. Does the action have a solid left wall and look like this one?



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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: TexasJohn]
      #321949 - 28/11/18 12:30 PM

That's a 96 or 94-type action appears to me. Wasn't that the Husky 146 with the solid left side, no thumb-groove like on the 46?

These were made in 6.5x55(maybe), 8x57, 9.3x57 and 9.3x62.

www.tradeexcanada sells them & has sold hundreds, but only in Canada, so far, I think.

Looks as if the 5th picture in the row and appears the identical action to yours, John.

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: Daryl_S]
      #321951 - 28/11/18 01:11 PM

The Swedes loved the '96 action very much and never really progressed beyond it without using imported actions. I have three of these later '96 based guns now and have hunted with a custom '96 in 6.5 X 55 - the '96 is a great action in spite of its cock on close and no third safety lug - both over-rated features. I think my 8 X 57 is identical to yours. I have an earlier 8X57 with a thumb notch. I need to move these two along as I have the same rifle in 9.3X57 - all open sight rifles that have never had a hole drilled in them. I once complained to a friend that, "I had too many brush rifles." He calmly replied - "You don't have too many brush rifles - you just don't have enough brush."

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: TexasJohn]
      #321953 - 28/11/18 05:31 PM

Yes is has the solid left wall

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: Bidyanus1]
      #321993 - 29/11/18 10:05 AM

Daryl nailed it as a '94 or '96 action instead of a 1640. Without the thumb cut, it was known as a strengthened action.

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: JDL]
      #321997 - 29/11/18 03:14 PM

Thanks Team

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: Bidyanus1]
      #322060 - 01/12/18 02:38 PM

So team, whats the view, Is it a 96 or a 94. I think its a 96. But what do you think?
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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: Bidyanus1]
      #322068 - 02/12/18 12:38 AM

A Ď96.

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: TexasJohn]
      #322070 - 02/12/18 05:47 AM

IIRC, the Swedes have never differentiated between 94 and 96 actions.

The one pictured by TexasJohn is indeed a "strengthened" 94/96. In essence, it was "strengthened" by skipping a few machining operations which probably made it a bit easier and cheaper to produce. In the process tho, it was "strengthened" in unimportant areas and in fact thus incorporated a mechanical and safety defect of sorts as well. This defect is in the handling of escaping gas.

The mil actions possess the stripper clip thumb notch which also serves as a side vent for gases that may escape from the chamber after a case head separation. The high side wall allows, or rather focuses, those gases right along the rail to the rear of the action where they are not deflected as readily by the superior 98-type cocking piece but rather have a straighter path to the face of the shooter due to the also-present 94/96 type cocking piece.

Thus, the "strengthened" action is not "strengthened" where needed to handle pressure, which would be behind the locking lug seat. In fact, about the only advantage the "strengthened" action has is for the guy trying to beat down a stone wall with the action, for it only provides support for side impact, not for compression under the pressure of the shot.

They ARE a pretty action, and they formed a sort of transitional action to the 1640 which is also a very sleek and pretty action as well. In fact, I think the so-called "strengthened" action is one of the prettiest gun actions ever made. It looks uncluttered and businesslike, as if it has what is needed and nothing else. Which is pretty true from a sporting standpoint.

I have not seen one in 9.3x57 but they were made in a bunch of other calibers.

Neat gun.

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: Daryl_S]
      #322071 - 02/12/18 05:54 AM

Quote:

Wasn't that the Husky 146 with the solid left side, no thumb-groove like on the 46?




Daryl, 146's are FN 98 commercial Mauser actions assembled by Husky. Those actions are identical to the military rifles. Thumb cut, stripper clip slot, large ring 98. The whole Spiel. Not D&T from the factory. No Husky crest stamped on receiver.

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: 9.3x57]
      #322073 - 02/12/18 06:42 AM

TKs for the clarification Rod - I thought so, the 98's being the 146's )form the gun-boards forum) but saw on another forum somewhere, the 94/96 without the thumb cut being called the 146 - or I'm going a bit crazy which is possible. I think I'm going a bit dyslexic as well - kept typing 164.

Glad to have you back on the forum.

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: Daryl_S]
      #322085 - 02/12/18 09:37 AM

Thanks Daryl!

I have trouble sometimes logging on or otherwise accessing the threads. Not sure why {???}.

One more thing about the 146 FN actions. I read somewhere that they were initially purchased by Husky during 1939-40 when 94/96 actions {for the Model 46} could not be obtained due to demand by Swedish military which was stepping up production during the early war years. Then that source dried up. Later, after the war, more FN actions were obtained but true 146's were from the early batch I THINK.

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: 9.3x57]
      #322089 - 02/12/18 11:23 AM

I am going to chime in and tell you what I know of the Swedish rifles and those made by husqvarna.
The difference between the Mauser 94 and Mauser 96 is in the number of vent holes in the bolt of the rifle. The 96 action should have three (3) vent holes, a small one (1) that points to the right on top of the bolt when closed. There are two (2) holes that go to the left side of the receiver when the bolt is closed; a small hole just behind the locking lugs and a larger one behind the extractor collar. The military actions also have the stripper clip guide on top of the action. The bolt is bent and thumb ring cutout is shallower on the original 94 action. The 96 bolt is straight and the thumb cut out is deeper. Some of these feature may be changed in rifles and carbines on different production runs and arsenal rebuilt. Remember these rifles were produced for more than fifty (50) years, some were even converted to M38 rifles after 1938.

Now for the husqvarna riles:
1-The Mauser 96 action with turndown bolt and thumb cut were used in the Model 46 and Model 46A and 46B. The difference being that the Model 46 has a very slim and trim stock with a rounded grip, it resembles a British rifle and the bolt has the knurled knob at the end of the bolt. The Model 46A and 46B has a Germanic stile stock with the characteristic Schnabel. The caliber were 6.5x55, 8x57,9.3x57 and 93.x62, there may be others but these are the ones I remember. These models were discontinued in 1939 or there about. These actions cock on closing and the bolt knob is round and smooth.
2-The Mauser 98 action from FN Belgium was used in the Model 146 caliber 9.3x57 and Model 246 caliber 9.3x62. These had the thumb cut and stripper clip, the bolt knob was cut flat at the bottom and checkered, the stock was the same Germanic stile as the Model 46A and 46B. These rifles started production in 1938? through 1941? donít know the years exactly. Also some other caliber may possible have been produced, though I have not seen one actually confirmed. These actions cock on opening like all 98ís.
3-During WWII the actions from Belgium dried up. This was the time that the strengthened actions based on the old Model 96 were produced. And this is where it becomes really complicated since there are a multitude of different designs during and after the war. Some with the same model number but different action or variation of the actions were produced. Most of these rifles have beech wood rather than the walnut stocks in pre WWII guns.
4-After the WWII, FN actions were used in the 1950ís as the 640 series which also used the same model number for strengthened 96 actions, until they produced the Model 1600ís and Model 1900ís series for export market and simplified production.
5-You seem to have a Model 640? by the photos. Based on the Mauser 96 strengthened action which cocks on closing. Though there are not enough photos to tell. See link below to compare a similar rifle? I believe that in the 640 actions the bolt can be disassembled with your bare hands. Also when the safety is in the upright position the bolt taken out of the action the shroud should turn from its thread freely and be able to be taken out with the firing pin and disassembled like the husqvarna Models 46ís and military Mauser 96.
Link: https://www.simpsonltd.com/products/z35590
Be careful, because the same model numbers were used on Mauser 98 actions imported from FN after the war.

If you want to compare different models here is a link that shows many models and calibers at Simpson Ltd.
https://www.simpsonltd.com/collections/husqvarna-rifles

Perhaps one will match your rifle.
Hope this helps.


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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: JORGE01]
      #322091 - 02/12/18 11:44 AM

tks JORGE01 - I think I am even more confused now. lol
Well done, though.

I noted that tradeexcanada also has what they call Husqvarna model 96 sporters in .30/06. Go figure.

The '06 has a SAAMI pressure of 60,000psi, 3,000psi higher than the 8x57 and 9.3x62, 5,000psi higher than the 6.5x55 and
16,000psi higher than the 9.3x57.
psi = piezio method

Currently 20 pages of used sporting rifles, 10 guns listed per page.

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: Daryl_S]
      #322096 - 02/12/18 12:20 PM

Good job, Jorge!!! Thanks!

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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: 9.3x57]
      #322229 - 06/12/18 10:07 AM

Jorge, yes I agree I think its a 640 (actually 648 because its a 8x57) with the 96 cock and closing action. Roughly do you have any idea when these things were made?
The serial number is 84250 if thats any help?


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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: Bidyanus1]
      #322235 - 06/12/18 01:37 PM

There was a website that had all the information on Husqvarna guns, unfortunately itís down permanently. I found this list of serial numbers on the link below. Scroll down a bit and it has a list of serial numbers for rifles and shotguns. Your rifle seems to have been made in 1945.

https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread....working-anymore


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Re: Husqvarna 1640- I think [Re: JORGE01]
      #322296 - 08/12/18 02:12 PM

Jorge, thankyou

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