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Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS
      #321650 - 18/11/18 08:55 PM



Another bit found on the internet:

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #321651 - 18/11/18 09:27 PM

the first rifle in this link is years old now, it was like an epiphany for me when I see it the first time.




M first thought was "ok, its realy simple you only have to start it now"
not, that I was good like this but there is the cool idea of self empowerment.
no, I am not Mister Holland from H&H but give a fxxk about it.

this happen when my Mosin project was standing before the door
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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: lancaster]
      #321665 - 19/11/18 11:03 AM

Beautiful timber on that .256 to say the least.
Not that I've ever been a real fan of these rifles, but the one in .375 2 1/2" has me intrigued - it would certainly be the right medicine for big pigs, moose etc & reloads would be bloody quick with stripper clips!


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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: 93x64mm]
      #321666 - 19/11/18 01:30 PM

Iron sighted rifles and those stripper clips are amazing.

I still have a few of the clips for the model 96 6.5x55's - they are VERY fast, indeed.

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: DarylS]
      #321670 - 19/11/18 04:25 PM

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...reloads would be bloody quick with stripper clips!

...those stripper clips are amazing.




Those (pictured above) aren't strippers, they are 'en bloc'.

These are 'strippers' v :________________________________Westley Richards ad for '.375 Express', AKA .375 2.25" Nitro Express Rimless, .375 RNE, 9.5X57.

'Stripper' being loaded into Mannlicher Schönauer:

Stripper leaving phone booth:


Strippers: Gunboards


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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: lancaster]
      #321672 - 19/11/18 06:02 PM

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the first rifle in this link is years old now, it was like an epiphany for me when I see it the first time.





It is quite beautiful.

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: DarylS]
      #321673 - 19/11/18 07:02 PM

Daryl, the clips used with the 1895 are actually En Block clips and the rounds are loaded into the clip in quite differently to a normal stripper clip. They also get fed down into the action with the cartridges and it stays there until the last cartridge is fed into the chamber where the clip then drops out through the bottom of the action. They are actually faster to use than a normal stripper clip as they don't have to be removed from the action before firing.

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #321674 - 19/11/18 07:27 PM

yes, what Matt said!

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: paradox_]
      #321676 - 19/11/18 09:32 PM

Here's C&Rsenal's Primer No. 39 video, The Mannlicher 1895: C&Rsenal

I dig these guys. Othias is very thorough (as always) and Mae is, well... Mae!


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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #321677 - 19/11/18 10:14 PM

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Daryl, the clips used with the 1895 are actually En Block clips and the rounds are loaded into the clip in quite differently to a normal stripper clip. They also get fed down into the action with the cartridges and it stays there until the last cartridge is fed into the chamber where the clip then drops out through the bottom of the action. They are actually faster to use than a normal stripper clip as they don't have to be removed from the action before firing.

Matt.




Animation of straight pull, 'en bloc' fed, M1895: M1895

Here's the 1886, another 'straight pull': M1886

The M1888, also 'straight pull': M1888

The turn bolt, still en bloc fed, 'Romanian Mannlicher' 1893: Romanian

And the rotary magazine, 'stripper clip' fed Y1903 'Greek' Mannlicher Schönauer: Schoenauer

Let's add a 'Mousie', stripper fed, of course: Mauser 98k


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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #321714 - 20/11/18 06:32 PM

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Quote:

...reloads would be bloody quick with stripper clips!

...those stripper clips are amazing.




Those (pictured above) aren't strippers, they are 'en bloc'.




Oh Dear I certainly did get it wrong didn't I!!!!


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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: 93x64mm]
      #321715 - 20/11/18 06:44 PM

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Oh Dear I certainly did get it wrong didn't I!!!!




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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #321718 - 20/11/18 08:00 PM

I agree, the C&R Arsenal clips are very good, but it certainly would not be the same without the lovely Mae.

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #321719 - 20/11/18 08:10 PM

Yes - I understand that, Matt. I had a Hungarian 6.5 (I think it was - or was it an 8mm?) many moons ago that had the En(d)Bock "clips".

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: DarylS]
      #321777 - 21/11/18 08:00 PM



En bloc = 'all together or at the same time', from mid - 19th Century French.

In surgery it means 'in a lump', or 'on the whole' (as in autopsy).

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #321779 - 21/11/18 09:58 PM

Very handy to know, thanks Brian.

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #321783 - 22/11/18 06:53 AM

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En bloc = 'all together or at the same time', from mid - 19th Century French.

In surgery it means 'in a lump', or 'on the whole' (as in autopsy).



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Yes I am aware what they are called, as noted.

I still call them clips. If you ask for En-bloc's or en-bloc

magazines here at a gun show, "they" do not know what you mean.

Clips for a Dutch Mann. or Styer 8mm they know.

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: DarylS]
      #321788 - 22/11/18 07:24 PM

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Yes I am aware what they are called, as noted.






From your previous post:
...many moons ago that had the En(d)Bock "clips".

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I understand that the en bloc are commonly referred to as 'clips', but what is En(d)Bock "as noted"? The last dipper of a stout, dark, beer pulled in the spring from an oak cask that it's been in since Autumn?





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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #321793 - 23/11/18 02:48 AM

IMHO the correct designations are "en bloc clips" as used in the M88 commission, straight pull and turnbolt Mannlichers, Mannlicher – Carcano, Berthier, Garands
versus
"stripper clips" used in Mausers, Moisin – Nagants, Lee – Enfields, Arisakas, Springfields
They are different types of clips only.


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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: kuduae]
      #321806 - 23/11/18 04:22 PM

What he said ^ (I concur).

I would say, however, that it is also accurate to refer to an en bloc clip as a magazine since without one the firearm is limited to single shot operation. The 'stripper' is merely a device used to load a magazine.

I'll opine that a 'stripper' is strictly a clip, an en bloc is both clip and magazine, while a removable magazine of the type found in an M1911 Colt would be, strictly speaking, a magazine.

I realize the clip vs. magazine debate is older than all of us and will persist long after we're gone. In the real world many people will refer to all of their removable pistol and long arm magazines as clips. In much the same fashion, the five cent coin issued by the United States from 1913-38 is almost universally referred to as a 'Buffalo Nickel' though it depicts a bison and is 75% copper.


Bison five cent coin




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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #321814 - 24/11/18 02:27 AM

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"as the five cent coin issued by the United States from 1913-38 is almost universally referred to as a Buffalo Nickel' though it depicts a bison and is 75% copper."



What then is a buffalo ?

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Igorrock]
      #321817 - 24/11/18 05:02 AM

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Quote:

"as the five cent coin issued by the United States from 1913-38 is almost universally referred to as a Buffalo Nickel' though it depicts a bison and is 75% copper."



What then is a buffalo ?




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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #321818 - 24/11/18 06:36 AM

Ok, probably William Frederick Cody i.e. "Buffalo Bill" then shot many of them...?

The term buffalo is sometimes considered to be a misnomer for this animal, and could be confused with "true" buffalos, the Asian water buffalo and the African buffalo. However, bison is a Greek word meaning ox-like animal, while buffalo originated with the French fur trappers who called these massive beasts bœufs, meaning ox or bullock—so both names, bison and buffalo, have a similar meaning. The name buffalo is listed in many dictionaries as an acceptable name for American buffalo or bison. Samuel de Champlain applied the term buffalo (buffles in French) to the bison in 1616 (published 1619), after seeing skins and a drawing shown to him by members of the Nipissing First Nation, who said they travelled forty days (from east of Lake Huron) to trade with another nation who hunted the animals.[11] In English usage, the term buffalo dates to 1625 in North America, when the term was first recorded for the American mammal.[12] It thus has a much longer history than the term bison, which was first recorded in 1774.[13] The American bison is very closely related to the European bison (also known as wisent or the European wood bison).

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Re: Restoring and Shooting M1895 .256 MS [Re: Igorrock]
      #321828 - 24/11/18 06:30 PM

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...The name buffalo is listed in many dictionaries as an acceptable name for American buffalo or bison. Samuel de Champlain applied the term buffalo (buffles in French) to the bison in 1616 (published 1619), after seeing skins and a drawing shown to him by members of the Nipissing First Nation, who said they travelled forty days (from east of Lake Huron) to trade with another nation who hunted the animals.[11] In English usage, the term buffalo dates to 1625 in North America, when the term was first recorded for the American mammal.[12] It thus has a much longer history than the term bison, which was first recorded in 1774.[13] The American bison is very closely related to the European bison (also known as wisent or the European wood bison).





'True, dat'.



Mr. Cody also encountered many people he would likely have referred to as 'Indians', a once common descriptor applied to persons indigenous to North America that had never set foot in, or likely heard of, India.

Centuries prior, 'Columbus' (born Cristoforo Colombo by some accounts, known as Cristobal Colon to the Spanish) had been sponsored by wealthy patrons to find a seaward 'short cut' from Europe to India and to return with holds full of oriental spices - particularly pepper.

Having failed at both tasks he brought captive Caribbean Islanders and ground chilies back to these patrons and passed them off as 'Indians' and 'peppers'.

Tomato, tomatoe, potato, potatoe? The 'nickel' still bought a doughnut, chili 'peppers' are hot and tasty, and 'clips' perform their function. The 'Indians' got the short end.

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