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yumastepside
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Mauser '93 actions
      #319666 - 07/09/18 12:16 PM

After looking at the beautiful Daniel Fraser rifles I was wondering about calibre choices for this early action.
Without going into the gas handling capabilities of these actions, are they " strong " enough for cartridges such as the 7.65x53, 9 and 9.3x57?
Would the original chambering of 7x57 require a reduced load compared to a'96 or '98 action?

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Re: Mauser '93 actions [Re: yumastepside]
      #319672 - 07/09/18 10:52 PM

imho, 7x57,7,65x53, 8x57, 9x57 and 9,3x57
308 Win also
rifle have to be proofed with the new barrel!

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Re: Mauser '93 actions [Re: lancaster]
      #319675 - 08/09/18 02:40 AM

The 93s are all over the place in their metallurgy and heat treatment because all, even the "weakest" ones were fine for the 1890s loads they used.

As a gunsmith, I get them into the shop that are very soft and others that are cased and quite strong. What I believe is that if you are going to use them for custom builds, it's best to simply case harden the inside of the receiver ring no matter what 93, 94 or 95 action you get.

I have done many of them. If you do a good case harden, it's ok to assume they are going to be strong enough for the application you will want to use them for, as long as you are not being Unrealistic. I would never try to make a short magnum from one.

But if you look at the amount of locking surface on a modern bolt action like a Howa, Remington or Winchester, and then you look at a 93 Mauser you'll see they are just about the same. So if the steel and the heat-treatment were also equal, the strength should be about the same too.

Safe to say that any load that uses the standard bolt face and runs at 54,000PSI or less, is going to be just fine in a 93 as long as the steel and heat-treatment are good.

Anything I made would use a standard Mauser shell just because going to the 308 shells (243, 260, 7-08 308 and so on) do not give any advantage over the 57MM 55MM and 53MM shells of the Mauser. Included in this group are the 2 "American Mausers", the 6MM Remington and the 257 Roberts.

So going from a 6MM Remington, 257 Roberts, 6.5 Swede, 7X57, 7.65 Belgian, 8X57, 9X57, 9.3X57 and 9.5X57---- I can't really see any "holes" in some hunters choice of game that could not be handled with one of them.

Edited by szihn (08/09/18 02:46 AM)

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Re: Mauser '93 actions [Re: szihn]
      #319678 - 08/09/18 09:27 AM

Thanks for the replies, my question was not so much about building a rifle on these actions but the safety in shooting these older guns, such as the Frasers etc. that use these actions.
Obviously one wouldn't " stoke them up " too much, mainly for fear of destroying an expensive piece of history, but as most were cordite loaded I'm assuming they were not hot loads. Anything in the 2000 to 2400 fps range gets the job done as these were stalking rifles not long range snipers.

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Re: Mauser '93 actions [Re: yumastepside]
      #319689 - 08/09/18 11:37 PM

Fellow I know has a short M93 clambered in .308. He isn't a handler and uses factory 165's for moose. I know nothing of rifle other than it has held together for 20 or more years.

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Re: Mauser '93 actions [Re: DarylS]
      #319701 - 09/09/18 10:56 AM

I think the '93 action's are strong enough if they have the correct heat treatment and you don't go getting power crazy with your loads. From all indication's, a reasonably loaded 308 would be maximum...purely my opinion....
One thing I'm hoping someone may be able to supply, is a load comparison between 7.62x51, the 308 and the Cetme round that the '93s were converted to.

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