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rpeck

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FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock
#319578 - 03/09/18 06:25 AM

FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H
African Bubinga Wood Stock with
Ivory Inlay, Buffalo Horn Forend Schnabel

Edited by rpeck (03/09/18 06:45 AM)

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: rpeck]
#319582 - 03/09/18 11:17 AM

Forgive me...but thats a really odd combination of calibre and style(?)

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: paradox_]
#319584 - 03/09/18 01:27 PM

Well that is different. I like the wood but the ivory around the magazine looks like a repair to a mis-cut magazine opening. I won't bother to say what the schnable looks like.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: Vladymere]
#319585 - 03/09/18 02:46 PM

Now that is my kind of rifle. Unique, individual and perfect for medium game.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: Vladymere]
#319592 - 03/09/18 10:16 PM

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Well that is different. I like the wood but the ivory around the magazine looks like a repair to a mis-cut magazine opening. I won't bother to say what the schnable looks like.

Vlad

I've seen ivory used that way on other gun stocks....ebony as well (which makes more sense to me). The real problem is that they used ivory at all, making travel with the rifle across political borders now virtually impossible because of the zero tolerance ivory ban. I inherited some elephant tusk carvings of Samurai from 18th c. Japan and I know something about transporting ivory across international borders. Its very difficult, even with 250 year old antique art works. Looks like this rifle is staying in Canada.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: rpeck]
#319603 - 04/09/18 06:00 AM

rpeck,

Thank you for adding to my education.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: Vladymere]
#319605 - 04/09/18 06:29 AM

Interesting wood indeed. First time I've seen bubinga look like a really piece of curly maple.

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Edited by Daryl_S (04/09/18 10:48 AM)

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: DarylS]
#319606 - 04/09/18 10:02 AM

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Interesting wood indeed. First time I've seen bubinga look like a give piece of curly maple.

Here is a picture of an air rifle from Georgia (the country) that I found on the internet. Similarly grained Bubinga wood.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: rpeck]
#319609 - 04/09/18 10:52 AM

That's the second, but with much wider spacing.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: rpeck]
#319634 - 06/09/18 05:51 PM

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Well that is different. I like the wood but the ivory around the magazine looks like a repair to a mis-cut magazine opening. I won't bother to say what the schnable looks like.

Vlad

I've seen ivory used that way on other gun stocks....ebony as well (which makes more sense to me). The real problem is that they used ivory at all, making travel with the rifle across political borders now virtually impossible because of the zero tolerance ivory ban. I inherited some elephant tusk carvings of Samurai from 18th c. Japan and I know something about transporting ivory across international borders. Its very difficult, even with 250 year old antique art works. Looks like this rifle is staying in Canada.

I wonder if the schutzen stock was designed for a non Mauser action? And the ivory filled in the gaps?

I don't understand why people use a "magnum" cartridge chambering in a shorter barrelled rifle. instead of a cartridge chambering designed to burn off the powder in the appropriate barrel length.

I don't mind the rifle. The bits of ivory sticking out look a bit funny. The schnabel is not unusual in such a schutzen rifle design. Overall looks well done.

As for travelling across borders problematic, but only if anyone bothers to examine the rifle closely. Usually the officials only want to compare the serial numbers and calibre chambering to the documentation. But no doubt some risk. Usually or often ivory from a per ban period is exempt. But still problematic.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: NitroX]
#319653 - 07/09/18 01:09 AM

Like I said, I've seen ebony used exactly the same way as this ivory. Its not a repair or a patch.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: NitroX]
#319690 - 09/09/18 01:19 AM

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I don't understand why people use a "magnum" cartridge chambering in a shorter barrelled rifle. instead of a cartridge chambering designed to burn off the powder in the appropriate barrel length.

There are plenty of factory rifles that use a cartridge that cannot burn all its powder in the given barrel length...the very popular (at least up in northwest bear country) Sako .375 H&H "Mannlicher" carbine comes to mind. Not every stutzen rifle needs to be in 6.5x54...handiness often trumps "appropriate barrel length." Maximum ballistic efficiency is only part of the rifle equation.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: rpeck]
#319691 - 09/09/18 02:46 AM

Rpeck, how does Bubinga compares to walnut with regards to density and resulting weight? Tropical hardwoods are most of the time quite heavy; is the weight of you stock manageable?
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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: rpeck]
#319708 - 09/09/18 05:16 PM

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I don't understand why people use a "magnum" cartridge chambering in a shorter barrelled rifle. instead of a cartridge chambering designed to burn off the powder in the appropriate barrel length.

There are plenty of factory rifles that use a cartridge that cannot burn all its powder in the given barrel length...the very popular (at least up in northwest bear country) Sako .375 H&H "Mannlicher" carbine comes to mind. Not every stutzen rifle needs to be in 6.5x54...handiness often trumps "appropriate barrel length." Maximum ballistic efficiency is only part of the rifle equation.

My comment still stands and the logic. For examplea stutzen or carbine stocked and short barrelled 9.3x62 is a better choice than the same in .375 H&H or 9.3x64. A 9.3x57 and 9.5x57 as wekk, A .308 or even a .30-06 than a .300 Magnum. A 8x57 rather than a 8x68S.

JMO and logic. On the original commissioners of custom rifles or factory choices.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: NitroX]
#319723 - 10/09/18 06:59 AM

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My comment still stands and the logic. For examplea stutzen or carbine stocked and short barrelled 9.3x62 is a better choice than the same in .375 H&H or 9.3x64. A 9.3x57 and 9.5x57 as wekk, A .308 or even a .30-06 than a .300 Magnum. A 8x57 rather than a 8x68S.

JMO and logic. On the original commissioners of custom rifles or factory choices.

I have no problem understanding your logic. Your examples are well known. I'm just saying that the choice of rifle style, caliber, barrel length, etc. is not necessarily logical and yet can still be generally effective.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: Louis]
#319725 - 10/09/18 07:10 AM

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Rpeck, how does Bubinga compares to walnut with regards to density and resulting weight? Tropical hardwoods are most of the time quite heavy; is the weight of you stock manageable?
Louis

It doesn't feel all that heavy. Although it weighs 8 lb. it is nicely balanced.

Bubinga:
Average Dried Weight: 56 lbs/ft3 (890 kg/m3)
Janka Hardness: 2,410 lbf (10,720 N)

vs.

European Walnut:
Average Dried Weight: 40 lbs/ft3 (640 kg/m3)
Janka Hardness: 1,220 lbf (5,410 N)

Check them out here: https://www.wood-database.com
An interesting site.

This is interesting too. Apparently Bubinga has been caught up in a CITE rosewood ban.

https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/rosewoods-bubinga-really-banned-cites/

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: rpeck]
#319731 - 10/09/18 11:07 AM

" Effectivness" should always be combined with good taste and style.
In a rifle such as this ( as opposed to the plastic and stainless Engineers rifles/tools) the question for many will be is it tastfully done ??
I suspect most will consider not, and so we have the old question of what you like and don't like. Im afraid the odd combination of style, wood, and the inappropreite use of Ivory? inlays is not for me.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: paradox_]
#319739 - 10/09/18 02:29 PM

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" Effectivness" should always be combined with good taste and style.

True. But good taste and style is a matter often of personal opinion. And some people have narrow opinions and other broader and are more open to new and different ideas.

Art is also a a matter of taste, style, and very much to individual opinion.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: NitroX]
#319740 - 10/09/18 03:11 PM

yes John, I did say some that some people will like it and some not.....and you are quite right...there is no accounting for taste!

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: rpeck]
#319745 - 10/09/18 10:45 PM

You guys are all so wrong in so many different directions that I don't even know where to start. So I will stop.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: rpeck]
#319760 - 11/09/18 10:52 AM

That is a truly excellent rifle. An Afro-stutzen if you will. .300 H&H to avoid military calibre trouble and achieve slightly better brush shooting performance with heavier bullets. Ivory inlay to bring focus and contrast to the black trigger guard and engraved floorplate, possibly influenced by Arabic or African folk (bubba) gun art. Bubinga to keep in the Africa theme plus moderate the recoil a bit, which is evidently an issue vis a vis the rubber recoil pad. Yet overall heavy Germanic flavor of the stock. Even the absence of checkering seems intentional as the stock would then look quite busy. A specific rifle built by a specific person for a specific purpose in a specific era, and very well executed.

Excellent.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: Dogfish858]
#319831 - 14/09/18 03:39 AM

In principle I refrain from judging the work of another in terms of taste and aesthetics.
On the other hand, I consider that in matter of rifles there are building rules and that they must be respected.
This is why I think a .300 H&H deserves a long barrel and that this type of stutzen would be better if it had been made for a medium European cartridge like 7x64 Brenneke for example.
In the late seventies Dumoulin in Milmort, Belgium also produced short barreled .300 H&H rifles and even stutzen chambered in 8x68S .. but it was only for the purpose of making cash by responding favorably to misunderstandings of some customers !
That said, I am too jansenist and much too classic in my tastes to love this mix of styles although the whole seems to have been done with great care.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: DORLEAC]
#319832 - 14/09/18 03:54 AM

Do you think .300 H&H could have been a compromise regards caliber availability? Ie 'Well we can't have a 30-06, 7x64 is uncommon in outer Gondwonaland, so why not the .300 as we would get more versatility?'

This is not my style either but I suppose I see the care and skill that went into it and so feel it's worth calling 'excellent'.

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Re: FN98 Stutzen .300 H+H Mag with Bubinga Stock [Re: rpeck]
#319833 - 14/09/18 04:36 AM

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