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jro45
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375 and 30/06
      #31931 - 25/05/05 01:04 AM

The 375 H&H is the min. caliber for DG and the 30/06 is the
min. caliber for grizzle bear. What do you think? Is this Fact?


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475Guy
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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: jro45]
      #31935 - 25/05/05 03:09 AM

In general terms, yes. But if I had my choice, I'd relegate the '06 to smaller stuff and stick to the 375 as the better all-arounder. After all, the '06 and the 375 almost share the same trajectory out to huntable distances. With the 375, the recoil ain't bad at all. If I get to hunt Grizzly, I'd use the 375 and up just to stop the big boy from getting revenge for getting shot.



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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: 475Guy]
      #31939 - 25/05/05 04:57 AM

There is a lot of big and dangerous game that I would rather not take on with a .30-06 but nearly all of it is not in North America (with the exception of the Griz and Polar bears). I've felt for quite some time that the .30-06 is a nearly perfect compromise rifle for large, medium, and small North American big game. Heck, I even hunt coyotes with one and have very good luck. I've been playing with a 9.3X62 as a step up from my 06 and as a replacement for my .338 Winchester Magnum and hope to get to Colorado this fall just to witness for myself how it does with elk. I think the description of dangerous game for most of these threads is dealing with a class of animals that haven't existed in North America for 5,000 to 25,000 years. You've got to go to Africa and Asia for them. And then the .375 comes into its own.

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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: Plains99]
      #31959 - 25/05/05 12:58 PM

I've used handguns for most purposes myself but for several years the only rifle I owned was a .375 H&H. I saw no real reason for anything smaller or larger until I started stalking these forums and now I have an imagined need for several other rifles...

Richard.


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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: rgp]
      #31971 - 25/05/05 02:23 PM

A .30-06 and a .375 sound like a good pair of bolt actions to hunt virtually anything there is.

You are a very wise man.

But then I am biased because those calibres are also what I have.



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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: NitroX]
      #32039 - 26/05/05 08:41 AM

The 375H&H is my second favorite caliber, right after the 9.3x57. The 3006 on the other hand is my all time least favorite cartridge. There is nothing I like about it.

The 338-06 imp. beats it in every regard and the 270 is more fun to shoot and does the light bullet thing better. Quite franckly the 30-06 sucks. Hell the 308 win does everything the 30-06 can in a smaller more accurate package.

If you hunt for meat and don't really care about rifles and callibers then by all means take an 30-06 in the field. But it's like driving a Hiundai crap box. It get's you there, but the destination is the point, not the jurney.

Getsomething with a bit of class, a 300h&h, a 7x57, a 9.3x62, a 318 WR, hell a 358 winchester, anything but a 30-06. That way if you get skunked at least you can spend the time a field with a gentlman or a brawler, not a cracker wanker 30-06.

God save us from the one rifle battery man!

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vladimir
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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: Rell]
      #32046 - 26/05/05 10:58 AM

With the 30-06 and the 375 in your hunting line-up, you'll never go wrong. You'd be hard pressed to find a more useful and all around great "meat on the table" cartridge than the 30-06. Add in the 375 and you've got a great battery of rifles. The two together should allow you to take all game in N. America and most (no, not all) game in the world.

I'd say you've got what you need - now go shoot them!

-Vlad


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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: Rell]
      #32068 - 26/05/05 02:12 PM

In reply to:

Getsomething with a bit of class, a 300h&h, a 7x57, a 9.3x62, a 318 WR, hell a 358 winchester, anything but a 30-06. That way if you get skunked at least you can spend the time a field with a gentlman or a brawler, not a cracker wanker 30-06.

God save us from the one rifle battery man!




rell,

unlike the USA the .30-06 is not that common down here. It has a small amount of exoticness about it, believe it or not. In the USA of course it is very popular and I believe at one time was the most owned cartridge/calibre in the USA.

No matter what you say it does the job and does it well without fuss.

A .318 W-R and a .300 H&H Magnum are attractive though, plus a 8x68S. All on the cards one day.



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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: NitroX]
      #32071 - 26/05/05 02:33 PM

I think the .30-06 still is the most common calibre in North America and it would take a biblical miracle to change that.

I saw a few in .30-06's in Oz but from the few gun owners I met when living there, they were outnumbered by .303's and .308's. Most of the gun owners I met were in rural Victoria and they were concerned about disturbing the neighbors and preferred to use nothing bigger than a .222 or .22-250. Not sure if they had licenses or if they merely did not turn in their guns. If they told Howard to go hump his goat and refused to turn the guns in, they're welcome in my home any time.

I remember posting some mail to relatives in America when in Marla, SA, and there was a big poster on the wall showing guns and pocketknives, saying something to the effect that these things are pure evil and must be given to the government...made me ill to think that a bunch of tree hugging city kids who are now "adults" in Canberra control the government and were making decisions for rural Australians who live a world apart, in a culture they know nothing about.

Richard.


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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: rgp]
      #32109 - 27/05/05 02:42 AM

The .30-06 is inexpensive to shoot in USA... especially if you are not a handloader. Practice rounds go for $6 a box and military surplus rounds are commonly available. The .30-06 is available everywhere so it is handy for out-of-state trips when you need an emergency supply and it comes in a wide variety of loads although the 150-grain is the most common. I noticed the popularity of the .303 in RSA so I imagine there are similar advantages for that round there. Whenever I go on an out-of-state hunt, no matter what rifle I am using I usually throw in an old .30-06 as a backup rifle for the above reasons. I've never needed it but others have borrowed my rifle when their's crapped out. Actually though the most common field failure has been scopes rather than rifle. My old 06 backup is an open sight Mauser rifle and quite reliable. It is not glamorous but it gets the job done. I imagine the same can be said of the .303.

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Rick_R
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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: Plains99]
      #32144 - 27/05/05 11:37 AM

If the perfect combo is .375H&H/.30-06 then I guess I'm an "underachiever" with my choice of 9.3x62 / .308.



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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: Rick_R]
      #32150 - 27/05/05 01:18 PM

The 30-06 is not in the club.
At least the 300H&H,7x57,& 375
H&H are not carried by every
one you know.





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BFaucett
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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: k80]
      #32197 - 28/05/05 05:58 AM

Yeah, for an American at least, I used to think that the .30-06 was too common, too "bubba", too "redneck". I swore I would never own one. Just too plain and common. Every "bubba" had one. Yuck.....

Then, I started reading about some famous Americans that went on safari in Africa in the "old days". Seems that most used the .30-06 Springfield (as their light rifle). Not necessarily because it was the best cartridge around for Africa, but because it was readily available, for an American, in the first half of the 20th century. People like Theodore and Kermit Roosevelt, Stewart Edward White, Ernest Hemingway, Martin and Osa Johnson, and Robert Ruark used it on safari.

I decided I wanted to “walk in their shoes” a little, so to speak, and took a Ruger M77 MkII in .30-06 to South Africa in 2002. I shot five animals with it and it worked great; from Steenbok to Red Hartebeest. I even used 220 gr bullets just for the nostalgia and to be old fashioned. (Woodleigh 220 gr round noses. Great bullets!)

I’ve now become quite attached to the ol’ Springfield cartridge. When I pick up my rifle, I always remember the afternoon that I took a Limpopo Bushbuck along the Limpopo River with it. Believe it or not, I have never hunted with a .30-06 here in America! I’ve only used it in Africa (South Africa). So, to me at least, it recalls memories of safari and Africa. Not bad memories to have.

I’m going back to South Africa in August of this year for a plains game hunt. My primary rifle will be a CZ 550 in 9.3 x62. But, I’m also taking along my new Ruger M77 MkII in .30-06 Springfield. (A different rifle from the one I used in 2002.) It hasn’t been to Africa yet and I want to introduce it to an Impala or a Warthog.

Back to the original thread topic:
Now, I've never hunted dangerous game (in America or Africa), but IMHO, the .30-06 isn't a good choice for big bears (brown / grizzly). I believe the old rule of thumb about it being the minimum for grizzly bears got started back when there really weren't that many truly powerful cartridges available to the American hunter. Back in the first half of the 20th century, the .30-06 was considered to be pretty powerful but, not much else was commonly available to the American hunter besides some of the old lever action cartridges. That's why so many Americans took the .30-06 to Africa (to use as a light rifle) simply because it was about the only game in town (for an American buyer). Since the end of World War II, the number of different cartridges available on the American market has increased greatly. Better choices for big bears are now readily available. IMHO, a sensible minimum for grizzly/brown bears now starts with the .338 Win Mag.

-Bob F.


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butchloc
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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: jro45]
      #32199 - 28/05/05 06:14 AM

if I read this right the griz isn't considered dangerous game?? since when is a 100# leopard considered dangerous game, but not a 800# bear. NO NO NO as much as I love an 06 it is not griz medicine.

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Re: 375 and 30/06 [Re: jro45]
      #32440 - 31/05/05 06:33 AM

When I lived in Alaska the .30-06 was used by quite few people. They used it to feed their families and used it on the big bears. One fellow even killed a maneating polar bear with his. It was written up in one of the outdoor magazines. Loaded with a premium 200 or 220 it would be my minimum.

That being said the .375 is my go to gun. It whacks animals with authority. I could do it with a .30-06 but prefer the .375.

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