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tinker
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7mm 140 gr Hydro-Solid .284" - Who has used these?
      #317668 - 02/07/18 04:05 AM

Writing from High Desert in Northern Nevada - but I'm asking in this particular subforum as you South Pacific fellows tend to use a lot of the Woodleigh bullets on all sorts of game.

This 140gr Hydro, has anyone used these on large game?
If so, what game and how did they do?
Asian Buffalo..?

What cartridge?
Has anyone loaded these to original 7x57 velocities?
Do they need magnum velocity to operate properly?



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Re: 7mm 140 gr Hydro-Solid .284" - Who has used these? [Re: tinker]
      #317671 - 02/07/18 08:32 AM

Tinker I have not used the Hydros in 7mm. I have used them in 300SAUM, 303, 35Sambar and 35Whelen and 416Rigby. The only DG I have used them on are the 416 for Buff and El and Camel. The rest I have only used on pigs, not that I would hesitate to use them on anything that walks if that is all I had, brain shots or spinal shots in the main on Ele and Buff. Yes they do work that well. Generally speaking the faster they go the better they work.

The 303 only come in 215 grain and a MV of 2200fps. Still at 60mts in one end and out the other of a 50-60kg pig. Not a big pig but I doubt you would get that result from another type of bullet at that weight and velocity. Not that I have shot a lot of game with them but the 416 went clean through a camel (Side shot), Elephants head. Recovered the one from the Cape Buff as it went in the front of the chest and stopped about 2" from the skin in the rump and this included going through bone.

One bloke I know have used the 150 out of a 300Weatherby and it passed through a 2" tree and still went clean through the pig. Range was about 50 to 60 mts. Happens when you shoot at running game in timbered areas.

I believe one of the PH in the Northern Territory now only uses Hydros in his and his guides rifles when in buff areas.

I rate them as a solid that when a soft point is the best option they are not to far behind. As a solid they are far better than the round nose solids and I am not aware of one that has not tracked straight no matter what it has hit in or out of the animal.

Edited by Rule303 (02/07/18 08:47 AM)


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Re: 7mm 140 gr Hydro-Solid .284" - Who has used these? [Re: Rule303]
      #317687 - 02/07/18 11:51 PM

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I rate them as a solid that when a soft point is the best option they are not to far behind. As a solid they are far better than the round nose solids and I am not aware of one that has not tracked straight no matter what it has hit in or out of the animal.




Why are they better than real solids?

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Re: 7mm 140 gr Hydro-Solid .284" - Who has used these? [Re: NitroX]
      #317714 - 03/07/18 05:49 PM

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I rate them as a solid that when a soft point is the best option they are not to far behind. As a solid they are far better than the round nose solids and I am not aware of one that has not tracked straight no matter what it has hit in or out of the animal.




Why are they better than real solids?




I do not know why - the physics - but they are.

Opps. John in case you meant effect on the animal, the Hydros do more damage than a round nose solid. Flat metplat solids are more effective than round nose solids and some can penetrate further than Hydros, so I am told. However I have never tried flat metplat solids so I don't know if they do the internal damage to soft tissue the hydros do.

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Re: 7mm 140 gr Hydro-Solid .284" - Who has used these? [Re: Rule303]
      #318961 - 10/08/18 09:08 AM

Hydro are more of a cup point than flat meplat, and I believe a bit of work went in to getting the meplat the right % of bullet diameter for tissue disruption vs penetration.
From discussions with Geoff the faster the better, so light for calibre at max speed = soft, heavy for calibre at traditional = solid.

Saying that I have a box full of tipped 400g .458s that I should be able to get up to 2100 in my Blaser, but I'm still left pondering if I only want to take 1 load on my next trip for buff I'd be better off with the 325g at 2300. Has anyone here used the Hydros out of a .45/70 on buff?


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Re: 7mm 140 gr Hydro-Solid .284" - Who has used these? [Re: Dr_Deer]
      #318965 - 10/08/18 11:36 AM

I would have to confirm via my notes, but I'm getting somewhere between 2550 and 2700 with Barnes TSX 350gr bullets in the 458 Winchester

You should be able to get much more speed than 2300 with a 325 - that's if you have a proper 458 Winchester throat.

Or not.

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Re: 7mm 140 gr Hydro-Solid .284" - Who has used these? [Re: tinker]
      #318975 - 10/08/18 06:14 PM

I have never loaded the Hydro but have extensive experience with the 7x57. Stick to a conventional 140. Any kind of premium at 7x57 needs to be used at very close range to get any kind of consistent performance.

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Re: 7mm 140 gr Hydro-Solid .284" - Who has used these? [Re: tophet1]
      #318983 - 11/08/18 12:51 AM

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I have never loaded the Hydro but have extensive experience with the 7x57. Stick to a conventional 140. Any kind of premium at 7x57 needs to be used at very close range to get any kind of consistent performance.





Have you seen the Nosler *Accubond Long Range* bullet in your area?
They are designed to operate at lower velocity than most every other high-BC premium bullet.
I haven't hit game with one yet, but I have tested them in an accurate single shot pistol while in load development. They fly flatter and maintain energy better than the shorter, lower BC conventional bullets. From field reports they appear to do well on game at impact speeds well below the typical bonded bullet threshold.

They look like a good choice for the lower energy cartridges.
In my 7-30 Waters 14" pistol the 150 is supersonic to 1000 yards.
Great for banging steel on the range.
More than plenty of energy inside a common 300 yard hunting range.

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Re: 7mm 140 gr Hydro-Solid .284" - Who has used these? [Re: tinker]
      #318991 - 11/08/18 09:27 AM

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I would have to confirm via my notes, but I'm getting somewhere between 2550 and 2700 with Barnes TSX 350gr bullets in the 458 Winchester

You should be able to get much more speed than 2300 with a 325 - that's if you have a proper 458 Winchester throat.

Or not.




It's a Blaser, not a Win Mag. Original factory load was 350g at 2000 for driven boar with the same recoil as a 9,3x62. 400g at 2100 could be considered hot rodding but it works

http://www.cartridgecollector.net/45-blaser-115-x-55


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