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lancaster
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Manton 16 ga with a question
      #317999 - 13/07/18 02:20 AM

Jørgen from denmark send me pics of his new acquired 16 ga Manton double gun and there is a question about it.
































"The "gun" came home and while made 1815 it does not actually seem like someone has open in it since it was born. Ok there's some rust that's going to go away. The stock is somewhat dark, but appears to be really good when it's cleaned.
It's a cal. 16, easy with a very good balance, just like my Purdey and Alex Martin. Just as Thomas says, a gun in wood and steel, craftsmanship in the best class, without CNC machines, without turning and file tracks, all polished, very tight in all sidelock, and do not bear the feeling of being used much. Now, when you look at the side lock, yes, all screws are ok. The hammer are as normal at this time "dolphins".
The barrel are "rose-damask" best quality, proof and stamped in London. And also absolutely amazing engraving. It was possible to loosen and get all the screws out and only one wooden screw under the trigger clamp, which was stuck firmly, broke.
Still, I do not understand that I was lucky to get it at the low price !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Manton is considered to be the father of the shotgun , as we know today, and I understand now.
I have got one in my hands for the first time and only before seen pictures of them."
The Manton, SN 6778, is from 1815 the time when we began to rebuild flintlock guns to the new percussion lock."

pic of a Flintlock SN 2636 made in 1797






now the problem:

"I've seen photos of some and everyone has the “white spot” just below the hammer. It looks like an aluminum plug, but I think it is not.
Think there's a screw below, whats the "white spot"????"









other guns from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk46oQ0owls

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Iowa_303
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Re: Manton 16 ga with a question [Re: lancaster]
      #318002 - 13/07/18 08:03 AM

lancaster,
The “white spot” is a platinum vent plug.
It plugs the hole that was drilled to connect the nipple hole to the powder chamber hole.
It’s sometimes called a blow out plug incase of over pressures.

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Re: Manton 16 ga with a question [Re: Iowa_303]
      #318010 - 13/07/18 11:16 PM

Mat is correct of course but I find it strange that of all the guns with these plugs that I have seen that I have never seen a blown platinum plug. Has anybody actually seen a gun with a blown plug.

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Re: Manton 16 ga with a question [Re: Wayne59]
      #318011 - 13/07/18 11:29 PM

Nope, never seen one loose let alone actually blown out.

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Re: Manton 16 ga with a question [Re: Iowa_303]
      #318079 - 14/07/18 09:53 PM

Quote:

lancaster,
The “white spot” is a platinum vent plug.
It plugs the hole that was drilled to connect the nipple hole to the powder chamber hole.
It’s sometimes called a blow out plug incase of over pressures.




if I understand it right he thinks the platinum is not only a plug but ends into the barrel and the nipple is drilled from above into the platinum tube. it seems that Manton had experimented with different metals in the flintlock time to prevent the hole from burning out and found that platinum works best.
could be that still use this material also for percussion because in theory there was the same problem when the flame enter the barrel.

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Re: Manton 16 ga with a question [Re: lancaster]
      #318084 - 15/07/18 12:19 AM

Quote:

Quote:

lancaster,
The “white spot” is a platinum vent plug.
It plugs the hole that was drilled to connect the nipple hole to the powder chamber hole.
It’s sometimes called a blow out plug incase of over pressures.




if I understand it right he thinks the platinum is not only a plug but ends into the barrel and the nipple is drilled from above into the platinum tube. it seems that Manton had experimented with different metals in the flintlock time to prevent the hole from burning out and found that platinum works best.
could be that still use this material also for percussion because in theory there was the same problem when the flame enter the barrel.



As I understand it the plug is just a plug. The connection between the nipple and the powder in the barrel is not lined with platinum, it's bare steel.

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Re: Manton 16 ga with a question [Re: Iowa_303]
      #319747 - 11/09/18 04:10 AM

got some new pics, the double gun is careful restored and waiting for test firing





















Joseph Manton






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Re: Manton 16 ga with a question [Re: lancaster]
      #319748 - 11/09/18 06:06 AM

That old Manton's looking great there now Lancaster!

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Re: Manton 16 ga with a question [Re: 93x64mm]
      #319922 - 19/09/18 08:59 AM

I have a nice 16 gauge Manton single barrel, converted to percussion with a drum, someone had bored out the old cone and not done any more. I redialled it and tapped it for a new cone. Lovely little piece and points well, as it is pretty light the recoil is quite lively to, it belongs to a mate who has also a nice Durrs Egg 16 gauge double that we are yet to try out. That was a real win on your part, congratulations !

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Re: Manton 16 ga with a question [Re: Heelerau]
      #319924 - 19/09/18 11:48 AM

Beautiful old Manton you have there lancaster!

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Re: Manton 16 ga with a question [Re: Iowa_303]
      #319940 - 20/09/18 05:33 AM

its not mine, just post the pics

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