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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #317054 - 04/06/18 08:10 PM



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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: lancaster]
      #317061 - 05/06/18 12:15 AM

Here's some photos of the 92 that I bought from Holt's that I posted on here earlier. Surprise it's marked Holland & Holland. Has been refinished and was done over pitting. The rifling is a bit worn as well. I'll see how it shoots as soon as the doctor releases my shoulder for shooting.



https://imgur.com/a/VtdnXU4


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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: casper50]
      #317063 - 05/06/18 02:57 AM

pics safe, is it a 6,5x53R or a .375?









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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: lancaster]
      #317086 - 05/06/18 05:31 PM

.375

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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: casper50]
      #317088 - 05/06/18 06:35 PM

Thats a beauty, kicking myself I didn't put a bit more on it, but someone sure put the polishing wheel on her !

I hope to get my WR home shortly, it is in .375Ex to .


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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: Sarg]
      #317091 - 05/06/18 10:37 PM

yea the H&H is hard to read in places as well.

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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: casper50]
      #317222 - 11/06/18 08:34 PM

Casper, did you have to reduce the overall length of the cartridge with a 270 grain bullet to less than that of a normal 375 Express cartridge to allow them to fit into the magazine, or has your rifle been modified in some way to allow standard length cartridges to fit.

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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #317223 - 11/06/18 10:53 PM

The cast loads that I'm going to shoot as soon as the doctor says that I can are .293. Running them through the rifle the last one in the clip has problems hitting the chamber sometimes. The bullets are 264 grain flat nose. The only ones that I have been able to find on the net.

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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: lancaster]
      #317266 - 14/06/18 02:52 AM

a 1901 Steyr made M 95
https://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/waffenmarkt...icher&o=neu
Hensoldt Wetzlar Duralyt 6x42 Abs. 1 on claw mount





















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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: lancaster]
      #331259 - 17/08/19 04:28 AM

1914 made romania mannlicher M 1893 build in 1914, maybe one of the rifles confiscated by the KuK army after the great war start and imho sporterised in the 1920s in austria
https://www.kunst-waffenkammer.de/feuerw...cher-m18931914/














vienna snap mount but the scope is lost

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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: lancaster]
      #331506 - 21/08/19 09:26 PM

I have two. Both in very good condition:

W. J. JEFFERY & Co. Mannlicher built on a Steyr Model 1892. Caliber .256 Mannlicher (6.5x53R)
Barrel Marked "(SIGHTED AND SHOT BY) W.J. JEFFERY & Co. 60 QUEEN VICTORIA ST. LONDON"
24" barrel.





...and another, "SHOT & REGULATED BY ARMY & NAVY. C. S. L. LONDON




Edited by rpeck (21/08/19 09:55 PM)


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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: rpeck]
      #331552 - 22/08/19 05:54 PM

For some reason I like the straight gripped rifle look better. Maybe it is its minimalist stock.

But I would believe the usual gripped stocked rifle, probably has a better stock and style for using the trigger accurately.

The straight grip is often seen on shotguns. I have one side by side like this.

I also think it makes the rifle look more like a cavalry carbine or a scabbard carbine. Just my feelings in how it looks, never mind it is a sporting rifle.

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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: NitroX]
      #354527 - 22/06/21 01:55 PM

did we have this before?

http://www.sitemason.com/page/bculAk



Daniel Fraser, Edinburg. Extraordinary Mannlicher-Schoenauer, “take-down” action, African sporting rifle in 6.5x 53R Dutch, completed for a British Baronet in 1895. Weight: 7 ˝ Lbs. Stock: 14 ˝” LOP. Superb 26” steel barrel with excellent bore and very precise open sights consisting of a single fixed 100 yd. rear sight with 3 folding leaves out to 400 yds., and a tiny spirit level like those found on the best long range target rifles of an earlier era. The ramp front sight has a very thin blade with a tiny round porcelain dot affixed to the rear, and a larger flip-up twilight bead. In addition, there is a folding, windage and elevation adjustable, peep sight located just behind the rear tang of the action that, when brought into play, brings rear sight, front sight, and target all into near perfect focus at the same time! Now, for most of us old-timers who grew up using open sights, that over-simplified explanation will be superfluous, however, I have been around enough to realize there are lots of younger folks hunting out there who have never had to depend on anything other than scopes. Well, enough of that …. the point I want to make is that this little rifle has the best configuration of open sights I have had the pleasure of shooting in recent memory, perhaps ever, and, assuming proper lighting conditions, I would not hesitate to use it on certain types of game out to 200 yards.
The silky smooth action is fitted with a “Fraser Patent” trigger group which incorporates an ingenious and mechanically rather simple intercepting safety sear which I have never before seen on a bolt action rifle. Barrel “take-down” is accomplished by removing the large knurled set screw in the left side of the action, then unscrewing the barrel from the action.

Highly figured stock, with game log carved into the right side, records 36 species of game, 100 animals, harvested with this rifle between 1900 and 1909 in Southern Africa, Sudan Somali Land, British East Africa Kenya Colony, and perhaps India (Bear). “Kongoni”, is Swahili for Wildebeest/Coke’s Hartebeest … African species of grassland antelope … 17 taken. Also note the number of Hippo, Lion, and Leopard taken!

This magnificent little rifle has been lovingly preserved for over a century (complete provenance provided by my dear friend, Guy Bignell of Griffin and Howe, accompanies the gun) and comes complete in it’s original case with trade label, original sling, and all original accessories. In addition there are modern reloading dies with all the instructions including 40 loaded rounds and about 100 rounds of new brass. At our behest, Mike Ehinger worked up the loads for the rifle. Please note the attached targets!

Overall a deadly accurate, completely genuine, piece of African history and rather poignant reminder of days that will never be again. The ideal gift for some very special and dedicated young hunter who desires to carry on the traditions of that bygone era.















































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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: lancaster]
      #354583 - 24/06/21 07:35 AM

What an extraordinary rifle!

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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: JDL]
      #375069 - 12/03/23 07:38 AM

looks like a romania mannlicher https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/militaria/carcano-1914-steyer--465954



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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: lancaster]
      #378398 - 06/08/23 03:11 AM

I am not sure about this https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/kugelrepetierer/carcano-8x57is--490252







its offered to be a 8x57IS

if true it could be a so called irish Mannlicher 1904 action https://www.gunboards.com/threads/steyr-1904-mannlicher-irish-mannlicher.45346/page-2






iirc, they were made from parts on stock to be sold with surplus M 88 rifles in 1904 when the 8x57I was still the official german military cartridge, also change for the M 88 clip.
could be that steyr sold this in austria were it was rebuild into a hunting rifle.

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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: lancaster]
      #384830 - 15/05/24 03:43 AM

austrian made M 93 "romania stalking rifle" for sale in canada https://www.reliablegun.com/used-steyr-1...-good-condition







and of course, its in 6,5x53R

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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: lancaster]
      #384834 - 15/05/24 05:25 AM

Now THAT'S an interesting rifle. I've shopped at Reliablegun (and Tackle) as it was called, back in the 70's. Good bunch of guys.(back then)LOL

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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: DarylS]
      #384947 - 22/05/24 07:13 AM



For some reason when I post images from Imgur to this site (as opposed to DGJ Forum) they come out oversize.

Anyone know the solution?

In the meantime please scroll down to the butt (note D.J. Fraser cartouche) and then right to see the rest of this 6.5x53R Fraser Mannlicher.

Edited by Parabola (23/05/24 05:30 AM)


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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: Parabola]
      #384954 - 23/05/24 05:52 AM

Lovely piece there Parabola!
Great little cartridge to boot, have you enough en-bloc clips to keep her going?


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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: 93x64mm]
      #384969 - 25/05/24 05:43 AM

Thanks, I have a sufficiency of clips, and hope to add a couple more when I collect a batch of elderly rounds I bought at auction.

I have just bought 4 boxes (39 rounds) of Kynoch non-corrosive, circa 1963 vintage.

I reload those cases using a Wamadet hydraulic decapper to get the Berdan primers out.

Unfortunately they take an intermediate size (.201”) No. 78 Berdan primer and those are in short supply.

I do have some Boxer primed cases (some converted from .303 British) and if all else fails I have a form and trim die but turning down the rim diameters seems a bit like hard work.

According to Nonte I could also open out the primer pockets to Boxer large rifle size and drill and punch a central flash hole at the same time closing the pair of Berdan flash holes.


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Re: the M 92 Archive [Re: Parabola]
      #384972 - 26/05/24 05:10 AM

Quote:

Thanks, I have a sufficiency of clips, and hope to add a couple more when I collect a batch of elderly rounds I bought at auction.

I have just bought 4 boxes (39 rounds) of Kynoch non-corrosive, circa 1963 vintage.

I reload those cases using a Wamadet hydraulic decapper to get the Berdan primers out.

Unfortunately they take an intermediate size (.201”) No. 78 Berdan primer and those are in short supply.

I do have some Boxer primed cases (some converted from .303 British) and if all else fails I have a form and trim die but turning down the rim diameters seems a bit like hard work.

According to Nonte I could also open out the primer pockets to Boxer large rifle size and drill and punch a central flash hole at the same time closing the pair of Berdan flash holes.




Glad you have a supply of clips in hand then mate!
I suppose Lancaster would be one to make them if he so chose - he's a clever tinkerer!
Hydraulic pressure can certainly get those primers out, messy but possible.
Speaking of primers, if they're of an odd size, perhaps a hobby lathe would be able to open those pockets up to a bigger size for you to fit conventional size berdan primers as well as trim those rims down - a lot of very fiddly work still.
Those pockets would have to be undersized probably 1-2 thousand's for a tight fit?
Hopefully you can still get modern brass, worth the wait - if you can still get them that is!
Great article


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