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Ripp
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Colt 1855 Revolving Carbine
      #315658 - 26/04/18 12:19 PM

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/03...-object-desire/

http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Colt_Revolving_Rifle

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Re: Colt 1855 Revolving Carbine [Re: Ripp]
      #315685 - 27/04/18 02:09 AM

Cool rifle, but prone to burning the arm when firing - long sleeved leather gauntlet on at least the left glove would be necessary. A short hold on the forend, fairly close to the cylinder would also be necessary for the gauntlet to work.

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Re: Colt 1855 Revolving Carbine [Re: Daryl_S]
      #315720 - 27/04/18 11:50 AM

I thought these rifles where usually held under the cylinder or behind the cylinder as a flash over would be disastrous to the supporting hand if in front of the cylinder.


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Re: Colt 1855 Revolving Carbine [Re: Vladymere]
      #315726 - 27/04/18 01:46 PM

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I thought these rifles where usually held under the cylinder or behind the cylinder as a flash over would be disastrous to the supporting hand if in front of the cylinder.
Vlad



+1
In the rare event of a chain fire one might wind up missing a greater portion of the hand, wrist, and arm that was holding the forend.
I have been told that the spur under the trigger guard on some replicas was intended for 2nd hand grip support when the offhand grip is behind the cylinder face.

Old wives tale? Beats me, maybe because Iím pretty careful to lube each cylinder after seating a tightly fitting ball so I have never (thus far) experienced a chainfire. Iím told it is pretty exciting with an 1860 Army .44

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Re: Colt 1855 Revolving Carbine [Re: 3DogMike]
      #315749 - 28/04/18 01:03 AM

The short guns without forend would indeed be held under the cylinder and close to the trigger guard. Filling the chamber mouths with lube, was not practiced 'back then', but wads were used, according to Elmer Keith - as he was taught.

Longer mil-spec rifles with fore end wood and 28" or longer "musket barrels" were too heavy for a rear hold - thus the gauntlets.

Ring firing was rare - happening more often today, than back-then. Today it happens perhaps by people not using a wad under the ball, or more likely with loose fitting caps that fall off when the first shot is taken.

There has been some 'suggestion' amongst cap and ball shooters, that ring-firing only takes place due to missing caps & this in most likely correct.

I was trying to teach one 'resistant' fellow to use oversized balls + w
thin greased felt wads while he insisted they were too slow loading. He insisted on using undersized balls and holding them in the chambers with crisco shortening - he was from Nevada - I don't know if that has anything to do with his stubbornness or weird ideas. His final e-mail was that "Those old guns don't shoot worth a damn compared to my modern guns".

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Re: Colt 1855 Revolving Carbine [Re: 3DogMike]
      #315752 - 28/04/18 02:08 AM

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Iím pretty careful to lube each cylinder after seating a tightly fitting ball so I have never (thus far) experienced a chainfire. Iím told it is pretty exciting with an 1860 Army .44

- Mike




I've had chainfire on a repop 1860 Army Colt (Belgian made 'Model of 1960').

You'll know it when it happens. Mine did it through Crisco.

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Re: Colt 1855 Revolving Carbine [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #315760 - 28/04/18 06:52 AM

I had a reproduction 1851 Colt Navy fire six rounds at once. That was my fault though. My pistol was loose, from firing many rounds through it and was having ignition problems. To compensate I unscrewed each nipple one turn. I think it flashed over the nipples.

Flash overs do happen, sometimes from stupidity.

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Re: Colt 1855 Revolving Carbine [Re: Vladymere]
      #315773 - 28/04/18 03:37 PM

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I had a reproduction 1851 Colt Navy fire six rounds at once. That was my fault though. My pistol was loose, from firing many rounds through it and was having ignition problems. To compensate I unscrewed each nipple one turn. I think it flashed over the nipples.

Flash overs do happen, sometimes from stupidity.

Vlad




EXACTLY - carelessness is oft times the reason for most accidents. The flash cannot pass through Crisco AND get past the ball tightly fit in a chamber. Rear ignition only.

The reason for the greased felt wads, was accuracy only, not to make it ring-fire proof.

With a TIGHT ball, one that is swaged into the chamber, or lead shaved as it is pushed in, the flame from a different shot cannot get past.

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Re: Colt 1855 Revolving Carbine [Re: Daryl_S]
      #316827 - 26/05/18 07:39 PM

Interesting discussion on one of the firearms that i personally have a large interest in. Would be jolly fun to take a duck or goose with one of the shotgun versions, or a deer with the rifled one. The whole chain/ring fire issue is a bit of a downer, i guess just use a shooting stick and rest the front of that But as Daryl has said - tight fitting ball and make sure the caps are tiiiight too and all should be well? Eh it'll never be an issue for me - the guns are too exy!

Off to post another Colt thread for another interest of mine that again, too expensive for me, ha!

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Re: Colt 1855 Revolving Carbine [Re: Ash]
      #316831 - 26/05/18 08:10 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cbKDkOAi6Mo

Video talking about them also.

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Re: Colt 1855 Revolving Carbine [Re: Ash]
      #316839 - 27/05/18 03:16 AM

Taylor and I have been shooting cap and ball Italian reproductions since 1972.

We have never experienced more than the cylinder we wanted to fire, do so.

He is using a pair of ivory scaled M51's in cowboy action this year and last.

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