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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #305479 - 18/09/17 03:25 AM

no name but some points make me think it could be a Dreyse, SN 1932
8 mm caliber is probably the ladys rifle cartridge
















http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/taendnaalspistol/i4779493/

early Dreyse & Collenbusch pistol for split cartridges with 0,40" sabot and 0,42 "roundball (getheilte Patronen Caliber der Zündspiegel 0.40 Caliber der Kugel 0.42)
SN 326













http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/taendnaalspistol-av-dreyse/i4779918/#





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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #305583 - 21/09/17 04:08 AM

small size patent rifle probably for a .22 caliber centerfire cartridge
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-fo...un_id=100912147



















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #305730 - 26/09/17 05:20 AM

very early N.Dreyse for the 0,71" Schlusspiegel cartridge
http://forum.ihunter.ru/topic/7987/?view=getnextunread























0,70" SN 12181 http://retrobazar.com/militarija/ID_4077/photo/






























same gun http://popgun.ru/viewtopic.php?f=156&t=311919





















the oldest hammer gun by the SN I found till now : SN 16377
http://www.medwed-hunt.ru/MedwedPosts.aspx?pid=176477&p=1

sure its a 16 ga, "rotationsstück" in both barrels

































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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #305731 - 26/09/17 05:32 AM

Lancaster. I just finished making a die to size down 20ga plastic hulls for my 70. I have components ordered and am waiting on them. I am thinking 55gr Bp and 3/4oz shot. What do you think. Is this to heavy a charge.

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: Wayne59]
      #305733 - 26/09/17 05:58 AM

hello

original load must have been between a 20/65 and a 16/65 blackpowder load but more close to a 16 ga BP load so this seems light and safe to me for a start

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #305736 - 26/09/17 11:28 AM

Thanks.

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #306068 - 07/10/17 06:52 AM

16 ga hammer gun SN 28578
http://www.icollector.com/SxS-Hammer-Shotgun-by-F-V-Dreyse-Germany_i23666056















"16 ga" needle fire so probably a 0,70", SN 27641
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a...67-6fc53e804c56







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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #306075 - 07/10/17 10:09 AM

Lancaster. I fired the first test round in my Dryse a couple of days ago. The only problem I had with the reloading was that the 20ga wads were just a little large for the sized cases so I just ran the loaded rounds back through the sizing die and they worked perfectly. I was also able to use a standard 209 primer with no modifications to the gun. Worked fine. I loaded up 25 rounds and will have to take it squirrel hunting.

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: Wayne59]
      #306104 - 08/10/17 05:40 AM

so its a center fire now? whats your load? powder and shot
would be nice to see some pics of the process

good luck with the gun

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #306107 - 08/10/17 07:22 AM

The gun hasn't been converted. the firing pins just happen to be rusted off at the proper length to work as a center fire. The first loads are loaded with 55gr Bp and 3/4oz of no 8 shot. I use an over powder wad a 1/2in thick 20ga cushion wad and an over shot wad glued in with a hot glue gun. Used once fired cases trimmed to get rid of the crimp. The firing pins look a little long but their not puncturing the primers. It will be interesting to see if the gun actually has any kind of a pattern. That will have to wait until after the storm.

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #306128 - 09/10/17 03:24 AM

without SN a 0,70" double gun,
rear sight so probably "Rotationsstück" in the right barrel
http://popgun.ru/viewtopic.php?f=156&p=17721308&t=544040









one of the mysterious bolt actions from the early 1860s here as a light carbine, 9 mm kaliber and 1060 mm long



http://otpad.h10.ru/oruzhie/028.html

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #306211 - 11/10/17 05:27 AM

in the upcoming Hermann Historica gun auction:
"small bore needle fire rifle" by Stiebritz in Dresden ...
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/zuen...mp;currentpos=2

without a doubt a F.v.Dreyse made "Lady's rifle" in 0,34" for this dealer in Dresden and the SN 9338 looks right also



to compare it with a real copy by an external company a 9,5mm break action needle rifle by Schmidt&Habermann in Suhl
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/zuen...mp;currentpos=3






0,70" double gun with some parts mixed, maybe a repair
SN 15258 and also SN 29404 but the gun looks like 15258
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/zuen...mp;currentpos=1





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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #306215 - 11/10/17 06:27 AM

Well the needle fire drew blood this morning. I wonder when the last time it was fired at game. A clean kill on a gray squirrel at 35yds. One shot one squirrel.

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: Wayne59]
      #306251 - 12/10/17 01:50 AM

waidmannsheil
would be nice if you can made a pic witht gun and the squirrel

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #306255 - 12/10/17 05:18 AM

Sorry but I didn't think to take a pic of the squirrel.

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #307293 - 05/11/17 11:49 PM

0,34" SN 7063
https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/v17/antika-licensfria/4245_1#&gid=1&pid=1



0,34" , SN 7465

https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/v17/antika-licensfria/4361_3



a Sauer& Sohn copy 8mm , could be the 0,34"

https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/h13/antika-licensfria/2353_3






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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #307728 - 14/11/17 07:10 AM

very nice late dreyse double gun in 0,74" but build for the last version of this cartridge with center fire primer, SN 29259
































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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #309522 - 27/12/17 06:58 AM

single shot falling block pistol 9 mm claliber so very likely 9,5x47R like the pistol 6 digits before
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=244637&page=0&fpart=3&vc=1
not for sale but they were helpful to give me the SN 29979
crown +V proof



http://rwnaf.org/collections/display?type=collection_items&id=506

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #309619 - 29/12/17 07:23 AM

Dreyse hammer drilling 16 ga + 8mm rimmed, again a model I have not seen before
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-fo...un_id=100943396














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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #311529 - 02/02/18 09:34 PM

patent action single shot pistol in 5,7x33 ,SN 33950
https://www.antiquefirearms.com/pages/232.htm
only with retailer name " Eduard Kettner/Köln"



































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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #312624 - 19/02/18 05:18 AM

SN 3316 v.Dreyse Sömmerda, an older 0,71" in excellent shape and complete!
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6845335





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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #313982 - 15/03/18 12:38 AM

16 ga hammergun by Franz v. Dreyse SN 21804
https://forum-antikvariat.ru/index.php/topic/191603-ruzhe-dreyse-sommerda/















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #314287 - 21/03/18 08:44 PM

Dreyse become never boring

Robert Schrader Double Rifle Drilling made by Mun. Waffenfabr. Sommerda A. G. vorm. v Dreyse
SN 38338 https://jamesdjulia.com/item/51872-62-397/

"SN 38338 (on forend iron). Cal. 8x57R/8x57R/16 ga. 25-1/4″ Bbl group is fitted with full length matted rib holding one standing leaf rear and silver bead front sights, and is also fitted with claw bases. Tops of bbls are engraved “Mun. Waffenfabr. Sommerda A. G.” and “vorm. v Dreyse”. Bbl flats are stamped with 5/30 German nitro proofs for 8×57 and 16 ga. A sling loop is soldered to bottom bbl. Unusual Blitz type action has rifle/ shotgun selector on top tang, and is equipped with Robert Schrader’s unique patented safety action with “trigger” shaped operating lever in trigger guard bow. Pushing “trigger” forward opens action while pulling it to the rear cocks action. Releasing pressure on this “trigger” allows it to go back to its orig condition of being uncocked, thus assuring absolute safety, as action is only ready to fire when under spring tension. Both “triggers” are set. Action is engraved with full coverage well cut Germanic acanthus scroll surrounding game scenes on sides; stag and two hinds on left, and roebuck and doe, and a duck, on right. Top of action with more acanthus is engraved “D. R. P.” “100914”. Steel trigger guard bow is also engraved. Tang is of horn. Nicely marbled European walnut horn capped round knob pistol grip buttstock measures 13-7/8″ over checkered horn buttplate, and features right hand cheekpiece and point pattern checkering at grip. Matching splinter forend with schnabeled horn tip has Deeley release."










to bad the WMF Sömmerda catalog is missing some pages but under rifles there is a single shot with this action



Schrader 16 ga Double gun by Mun. Waffenfabr. Sommerda A. G. vorm. v Dreyse
SN 37769
https://www.flickr.com/photos/46845109@N06/16077470954/in/photostream/
http://www.germanguns.com/upload/showthread.php?1147-MUN-amp-WAFFENFABR-16-Bore/page2























the grip cap of the double gun is like the one on side lock double rifle, page 6









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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #315562 - 23/04/18 03:26 AM

revolver in 0,34" , SN 523
https://www.hermann-historica.de/en/pist...a_1860/l/152252









miss the auction
a 11,2x37R stalking rilfe sold by Springers


http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/ru/e...i_ab_18/l/12391

this looks like an early pistol for the 0,34" , dealer description is suspect
"4mm; 20% blue, fair bore, good grips, 7'' barrel, This is a single shot bolt action needle fire caseless-cartridge pistol, with an octagonal. Barrell The metal has wear and patina overall. The stock has checkered panels on the handel, and handling marks - dings. A very rare pistol., s/n 46"

SN number looks to me like 1746












patent action in 22 lr, SN 34600
N.v. Dreyse / Sömmerda
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/l/17...mpaign=barnebys









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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #315902 - 01/05/18 09:35 PM

F.v.Dreyse double gun in 064" Randschlusssp., SN 14733
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/767794931





















































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