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cadet
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T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound
      #315155 - 10/04/18 12:10 PM

I jumped with indecent haste on an example of Thomas Bland's "Euoplia" 12g ball-and-shot gun yesterday. While I suffer the longest wait for it to be sent to me and confirm whether it's the treasure I think it might be, what should I expect? How should I feed it? Ball, or Fosbery bullet, or something else? It is BP proofed; but how much powder? There's scant on the web about them, but the handful of references out there suggest it ought to shoot well. Would Lake's book be worth getting? Or will I find enough to get me going in Wright'?
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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: cadet]
      #315183 - 11/04/18 08:41 AM

The load may be on the gun - 3 - 4 1/2 (MAX! drams BP is for some H&H heavy load paradoxes)

Easy start may be the Lee .690 ball, possibly patched

I am sure Daryl will be along soon to give you more detailed info

Look forward to the pics

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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: TH44]
      #315184 - 11/04/18 10:40 AM

I'm excited to see and hear more about it when it arrives.
I've never handled a Bland ball and shot gun.

Do you have photos?



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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: tinker]
      #315187 - 11/04/18 12:05 PM

I have one. Mine is rather plain but very solid. Defiantly a round ball gun. The rifling is slow and very faint. You may need to turn it into the light different angles to see it. Originally had 2.5" chambers that were opened up to 2.75". BP proofs but light nitro does work. These folks can provide a letter for a change. http://www.woodcockhill.com/ it's more shotgun than rifle but it's a very nice piece.

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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: Kynoch]
      #315188 - 11/04/18 12:58 PM

Thanks Kynoch, that's exactly the sort of stuff I'd like to know; and I think TH44 your suggestion of the .690" round ball may be a good starting point. Now just to work on powder charge, wadding and patching.

Tinker, I have pics from the dealer, but no idea how and where to post them since photobucket shot itself in the foot. In short, it's a plain-looking toplever, bar action hammer gun with a straight stock, yet it has some stylish touches, like drop points on the stock head, better than average walnut, and shell fences for the hammers to fall into. It has steel barrels; damascus is normally my thing, but I couldn't pass up the opportunity for a play with a ball-and-shot gun for under AUD 1,000...


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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: cadet]
      #315194 - 12/04/18 03:38 AM

What a peach! Diameters will be the first thing to find out, along with chamber lengths and load data on the table or barrels.
The undersized balls, like TH44 suggested, if held in a cup wad, can give amazingly accurate results and NO LEADING. The "cup wad" takes the rifling. this sort of thing shoots well in smooth bores as well.

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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: Daryl_S]
      #315197 - 12/04/18 08:20 AM

Yes: I think it might be a lovely peach of a thing!
I don't think there's load info engraved or stamped anywhere; action and barrel flats show no more than usual shotgun proof marks.
Some of the dealer's pics sent to me:
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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: cadet]
      #315200 - 12/04/18 10:03 AM

Beautiful & lovely wood!

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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: cadet]
      #315201 - 12/04/18 10:17 AM

Lovely! Agreed. Measure the bores first. Defiantly a round ball gun. The undersize ball in a shot cup does work (not sure how a patch would work in practice). A .690 ball drops though the barrels. Consider a .735 ball without a shot cup if your measurements work out. A fiber wad behind the ball will seal the bore. Would be curious if yours appears to have three very subtle "lands" in the barrels. Congrats!

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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: Kynoch]
      #315204 - 12/04/18 07:46 PM

Nice Gun, well done on getting it, looks just like a T Bland I was going to buy in the UK many years back, I have had a computer crash & the photos were on that unfortunately ?

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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: Sarg]
      #315210 - 13/04/18 03:12 AM

I had good luck in a 13 bore rifle, with denim patched round balls. They actually gave the best accuracy and with the Neetsfoot oil in the patch, shot very cleanly. I thought the crimp might pull the patch off the ball, but it did not.

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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: Daryl_S]
      #315216 - 13/04/18 07:43 AM

Beautiful piece of kit there mate!
Hope to see the flats etc as that's where your proof etc will be!
It is going to be a very interesting journey for you, we all will like to see this old girl shoot again; please keep us informed of your progress
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Re: T. Bland "Euoplia" inbound [Re: 93x64mm]
      #315293 - 15/04/18 09:26 AM

Very nice old rifle. Enjoy it in good health.

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