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PatagonHunter
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Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53
      #315265 - 14/04/18 03:35 AM

Hello,

A friend find, and bought, this lovely Original Mauser Mod "S", Intermediate action, in "our" 7,65x53.

A question for kuduae: by the serial number, what is the manufacture date? Thank you!

Best,

PH

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #315266 - 14/04/18 03:59 AM

1930-1931 per Jon Speed books

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: m4220]
      #315267 - 14/04/18 04:09 AM

Thank you M4220!

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #315269 - 14/04/18 06:00 AM

sporting rifle in 7,65x53 are very rare outside of south america

what for a brand of softpoint ammo was available then?

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: lancaster]
      #315270 - 14/04/18 06:33 AM

1930-1931 production period (again according to Jon Speed) but still using pre-WW1 'Waffenfabrik Mauser A.G.' actions while other rifles from this period are probably already bearing the 'Mauser-Werke A.G.' marking in use since 1922.
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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: Louis]
      #315272 - 14/04/18 07:58 AM

Rather under rated cartridge, bloody nice looking rifle you have there PH!

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #315273 - 14/04/18 08:19 AM

Very Nice looking rifle, well done.

Waidmannsheil.

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #315280 - 14/04/18 11:03 AM

Thank you!
But a friend got this rifle. Good for him!
Plus, the barrel inside is AS NEW!
By the way, it is not the first Original Sporting Mauser in 7,65x53 I have seen here. I am sure this chambering is the most common in our country. Now the only factory hunting cartridges brands available here are NORMA and Hornady.

PH

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: lancaster]
      #315281 - 14/04/18 04:23 PM

Quote:

what for a brand of softpoint ammo was available then?



Kynoch at least offered a 219 gr rn bullet load in the 1920s - 30s.

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: kuduae]
      #315285 - 14/04/18 09:35 PM

Hello,

Lancaster, as kuduae said, I have seen some old Kynoch cartridges with soft point bullets.
I saw, also, UMC 7,65x53 cartridges with soft point bullets.

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #315286 - 15/04/18 12:13 AM

By the way, any of you know if some of the big european ammo factories, other than Kynoch, made hunting cartridges for the 7,65x53 Mauser previous the Second World War ?
Thank you!

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #315287 - 15/04/18 02:09 AM

According to Wikipedia.
The 7.65×53mm Mauser was the result of considerable experimentation by Paul Mauser to optimize the bullet diameter for use with the new smokeless propellant introduced as Poudre B in the 1886 pattern 8mm Lebel that started a military rifle ammunition revolution.[3] At the time of its development it was a high-performance smokeless-powder cartridge.

This cartridge was loaded commercially by many manufacturers in the United States until about 1936.[1] Hornady is the only major U.S. ammunition manufacturer to still produce this cartridge. Sporting ammunition in this caliber is still loaded in Europe.[1] Norma, Prvi Partizan, Sako and Fabricaciones Militares (FM) currently produce 7.65×53mm ammunition.[4] For reloading the cartridge, use .303" British load data.

155 gr (10 g) FMJ-BT 2,710 ft/s (830 m/s) 2,530 ft⋅lbf (3,430 J)
174 gr (11 g) FMJ-BT 2,460 ft/s (750 m/s) 2,340 ft⋅lbf (3,170 J)
180 gr (12 g) SP---- 2,542 ft/s (775 m/s) 2,588 ft⋅lbf (3,509 J)
211 gr (14 g) FMJ--- 2,130 ft/s (650 m/s) 2,150 ft⋅lbf (2,920 J)

A very close friend & mentor of mine Lester H. Hawkes, back in the 70's and 80's now passed, had an Argentine Mauser in 7.5x53, near Houston B.C. Seems to me, the ammo he had was Norma.

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: DarylS]
      #315290 - 15/04/18 04:58 AM

Thank you Daryl.
I agree the 7,65x53 had an almost ideal case capacity/caliber relation for that times. And a very good case design for military guns!
Even today, it can be loaded slightly above the .308 Win at the same pressures. Loaded at modern pressures, it falls between the .308 Win and the .30-06 in performance.

PH

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Re: Original Sporting Mauser Mod S 7,65x53 [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #315310 - 16/04/18 02:07 AM

the 7,65x53 was Mauser's answer to the 8x57 but in europe it never was a hit
why? maybe to much good cartridges around


in the end very similar
belgian mauser M 89




german commission rifle M 88


I had allways an open eye for a argentine M 91 sporter that can be used to build a PC hunting rifle.

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