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Vladymere
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Re: Colt .36 cal 1851 Navy Revolver [Re: Vladymere]
      #314653 - 29/03/18 02:00 PM

Forgot to mention that the Remington New Model Army also has notches in between chambers s that the pistol can be carried safely with all chambers loaded.

Vlad


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Daryl_S
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Re: Colt .36 cal 1851 Navy Revolver [Re: Vladymere]
      #314654 - 29/03/18 02:02 PM

I have never heard of unfired powder in a clean vessel, ie:
clean loaded chambers, to absorb moisture or cause pitting.

Now, if the gun was EVER fired with Pyrodex & not cleaned
over and over again over the course of several days - then THAT 'residual' fouling
in the pores in the steel, even
microscopic ones, will indeed cause pitting & dissolving
of the iron molecules due to it's acidic nature.

BP itself in granular from in not to the best of my knowledge hygroscopic.

If the revolver spent those two years in an extremely humid environment, then perhaps this could happen.

When I lived down the coast of BC, I had no such trouble with any black powder guns.

BP fouling, as well as Fake Black Powder fouling is very

hygroscopic. The phony powders that contain perclorates are

especially so and VERY dangerous to your bore or chambers

over time to come. Many guys who bought the Stainless Rugers

thought they could get away without cleaning them and thus

ruined their guns.

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Vladymere
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Re: Colt .36 cal 1851 Navy Revolver [Re: Daryl_S]
      #314656 - 29/03/18 03:04 PM

Daryl,

My Ruger was under the couch in the living room of our 800 square foot house in Columbia, SC. Very humid and hot in the summer time.

I was(am) meticulous about cleaning my BP weapons after firing them using hot soapy water and stripping them down into all individual parts as BP residue gets everywhere. Down into the trigger group, back into the hand, etc.

The Ruger was loaded into a clean weapon. This was in the days before BP substitues. It was loaded with real 3F black powder. Hodgens I think?

Vlad


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ducmarc
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Re: Colt .36 cal 1851 Navy Revolver [Re: Vladymere]
      #315403 - 18/04/18 12:08 PM

when i carry any of my single actions i put the hammer down between the chambers and never had a problem. although i don't have a cap and ball so not sure it would work that way.

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ducmarc
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Re: Colt .36 cal 1851 Navy Revolver [Re: ducmarc]
      #315404 - 18/04/18 12:13 PM

and grease is a must was with pop a couple of years ago and he was shooting some clanker copy someone gave him one bullet out the barrel one into the frame. didn't hurt nuttin said dad u forgot the grease he said na, was to lazy to go to the kitchen and grab the the crisco.i went and got it for him. lol

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Re: Colt .36 cal 1851 Navy Revolver [Re: ducmarc]
      #315407 - 18/04/18 01:04 PM

I understand, Vlad. Hot and humid are not good, any time.

Neither hot nor soap are good for BP guns. Most soaps contain
salt, while many are mild forms of acids that might not
be neutralized, completely.
Yes - I know, so many books say to use soap and hot water.

They are wrong.

It is not that I am right - I am not claiming to be right.

Holland and Holland of the UK wrote a letter to my friend, telling him that cold or at the most, tepid water is all that is needed - no soaps (salt and some with acids) & no hot water as it causes flash rusting in many BP gun steels.
Flash rusting damage is accumulative. It in itself, is a cancer. THAT, I have observed in a friend's rifle - always used soap - always used almost boiling hot water. His bore was finely pitted, one end to the other after only about 6 years of shooting that rifle Taylor built him. He would not even have a beer before cleaning his rifle and did it EXACTLY the same every time. Boiling hot water and soap. (seems to me, the detergents are acidic). He ALWAYS cleaned his rifle immediately after shooting. We'd have a beer or two first. His bore started fouling, holding fouling and then found it pitted, one end to the other. We had to lead-lap it twice to return it to usefulness again. It's still a bit harder loading than it used to be. We all use grossly oversize combinations because they are more accurate than looser combinations.

ALL my barrels come off for cleaning, whether they are pinned to the stock, or secured with wedges.
The breech goes into the water and water is drawn up into the bore with a doubled flannelette patch. The jag is filed so a doubled patch fits perfectly.

I clean my pistols the same way as I clean my long guns.

After cleaning and drying the gun, H&H says to spray LIBERALLY all parts with a water displacing lubricant. I chose WD40 and have been using this since 1974, when I read that letter from H&H to my good and close friend and double collector, Wil Tompson of Smithers, now left the range. Amsoil Water displacing Lubricant is even better, but I can't remember what it is called.

Heat and humidity are tough on guns.

I spray it down the bore until it runs out the nipple seat, or vent. A clean dry patch is doubled and placed on the muzzle, then this is shoved down the bore with a HARD stroke. This stroke blasts excess WD40 out the vent or nipple seat, subsequent pumps discharge more excess WD40 out the vent. This also carries with it, ANY residual moisture and is the reason for using copious amounts of it. WD40 is cheaper than gun part replacements.
I buy it by the gallon can - for something like $27.00. That gallon lasts me a year. That money spent is cheap insurance.

Here, due to low average humidity, no further rust preventatives must be used. In areas of high humidity, better rust prevention might be needed. Break-Free CLP, invented to keep M16's working in VietNam, might be a good one or not, I do not know.

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Daryl


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Wayne59
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Re: Colt .36 cal 1851 Navy Revolver [Re: Daryl_S]
      #315418 - 18/04/18 09:15 PM

Brake free is excellent. Kind of expensive. I am in a high humidity and I have no problems with rust.

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