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Re: Punt gun [Re: HeymSR20]
      #288755 - 06/10/16 08:43 AM

Punt guns were used in Canada for ducks and geese - back at the turn of the century. Thus, the federal regulations (migratory game bird regulations) today from about WW11 onward(just a guess on the change), restricts use to 10 bore and only shot sized BB and smaller may be carried on the person during water-foul season, with magazine plugs restricting capacity to 2 rnds + THE third can be carried in the chamber.

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Re: Punt gun [Re: HeymSR20]
      #293137 - 04/01/17 08:50 PM

Holts have three punt guns in the upcoming auction


http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...4&saletype=
"A VINTAGE 1 1/2in. PERCUSSION PUNT-GUN SIGNED OAKLEY, no visible serial number, with brown painted tapering round approximately 91in. barrel, later tiller-style butt with applied hump-back military type lock, later hook fitted to underside for punt mounting "




http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...6&saletype=
"A 1 3/4in. SCREW-BREECH PUNT-GUN, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number, circa 1900-1910, with approximately 94in. barrel painted silver and fitted with trunnions forwards of the breech, the treaded breech-block with centre-pull cocking piece and exposed trigger mechanism beneath."




http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp/fullcatalogue.asp?salelot=S0117+++2155+&refno=++103447
"A 1 3/4in. SCREW-BREECH PUNT-GUN, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number, circa 1890, with 93in. grey painted barrel fitted with a large spring-loaded recoil arrestor beneath near breech, the screw breech with painted carved wood tiller butt and side-panels concealing the pull-to-cock trigger mechanism. "



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Re: Punt gun [Re: lancaster]
      #296343 - 05/03/17 09:50 PM

Blackpowder, a home-made 8ft long punt-gun and muzzle-loading memorabilia …
Read more at http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/shooting/in-thrall-to-blackpowder-71388#lpvWM7OYTmqhzmyu.99

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Re: Punt gun [Re: lancaster]
      #296360 - 06/03/17 05:57 AM

Interesting - his loads are light. I have seen that rack of large bore guns before I think posted in a muzzleloading forum by one of it's members, a collector and shooter in the UK, of course, with monikers being used, he's anonymous - or was.

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Re: Punt gun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #301051 - 31/05/17 02:00 PM

A great source of info about the early days of punt guns is Col. Peter Hawker's "Instructions to Young Sportsmen". Even more so - Hawker's diaries, where he describes not just his experience punt gunning, but also his dealings with Joe Manton, John Manton, Charles Lancaster, Durs Egg, and other gunmakers of the day. Both books can be freely downloaded from www.archive.org (downloading tip: don't jump on the first title that comes up in your search - look for large sized versions digitized by a university, they'll have recognized text and higher quality drawings).

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Re: Punt gun [Re: Sportingbookworm]
      #306200 - 10/10/17 04:44 PM

Just an update for this:
There are certain acknowledged classic texts on puntgunning, the building, equipping and use. Some of these are now very old, rare and very expensive. However this situation took a surprizing recent turn.

First Lessons in the Art of Wildfowling by Abel Chapman.
1896 First edition. Available online from Abe Books from £95 to £267.
There have apparently been no subsequent reprints until...

2017 facsimile softcover/hardcover from India. £9.18 to £10.91.
I now have one of these. Quality is quite good except that the fold-out drawings of the original are shown unfolded in the facsimile. For the price, understandable.

In www.archive.org these were entirely missing!

The Wildfowler in Scotland by John Guille Millais, (Guille is a baptismal name for the family which lived for centuries on Jersey. It is pronounced like the first syllable in Guillotine. Millais like Mill-lay). He was known as Johnny.

The 1st edition, 1901, goes from £45 to £400 pounds Stirling.
1974 is the first Tideline Books edition. £21 to £60.
2005 is the second edition. £20 to £28.

The Complete Waterfowler ashore & afloat by Stanley Duncan.
1911 & 1912 editions. £68 to £232.
Revised 1950. £42 to £81.

The result of this is that, thanks to a 1974 reprint by Tideline, a 2017 facsimile from India and a well-priced 1950 revised issue by Duncan, I now have all 3 without a second mortgage.


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Re: Punt gun [Re: Kiwi_bloke]
      #306208 - 11/10/17 04:23 AM

thanks for the hint

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Re: Punt gun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #307093 - 31/10/17 11:55 PM

30 mm french muzzle loader punt and 4,20 m long, make a real beast!
http://www.naturabuy.fr/canardiere-1900-origine-Dombes-longueur-4m20-item-3467520.html








this 1,40 m long 8 ga french pinfire double gun loks like a semi punt gun

http://www.naturabuy.fr/FUSIL-JUXTAPOSE-A-BROCHES-item-3771104.html
would say the handle was to hook up behind a boat side for dealing with the recoil

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Re: Punt gun [Re: lancaster]
      #307104 - 01/11/17 03:44 AM

The 8 bore is a nice gun!

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Re: Punt gun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #307540 - 10/11/17 07:07 AM

found some of this pics before but here is the complete lot




making in 1912 the pics showing Mister Snowden Slights from east cottingwith/yorkshire who was 83 and one of the last commercial punt guner in england than.



from 1890 to 1907 he shot 5355 birds and best shot killed 44 ducks( 24 mallards and 20 wigeons).




















Mister Slights dont call himself a sportsman but a commercial hunter, this wa shis kind of pride.









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Re: Punt gun [Re: lancaster]
      #307542 - 10/11/17 07:17 AM











another gentleman with his punt




french punt gunner Constant Taitot
http://audio.archives71.fr/campagnes/detail_campagne.php?campagne=10




punt gun, pic looks american to me



video showing a french 37 mm /1,5" punt gun in action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft-W6eiRHeY

the shoot for the orange ballons at 120 meter is impressive

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Re: Punt gun [Re: lancaster]
      #307543 - 10/11/17 07:27 AM

That would be one hell of a lot of recoil generated!
I can't imagine the amount of powder burnt or shot charge...bloody enormous!
Could have been used to shoot bi-planes down in WW1.


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Re: Punt gun [Re: 93x64mm]
      #307545 - 10/11/17 07:41 AM

they try it





dont know if it ever works

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Re: Punt gun [Re: lancaster]
      #307548 - 10/11/17 08:36 AM

1 1/2" bore - that's just under a 1 pounder for a round ball gun/canon (1.671" = 16 ounce ball)

The charge, iirc from something I read decades ago, was 1 pound of powder and 3 pounds of #1 shot. Most killed (USA) was 128 or 129 ducks at from 100 out to 120yards (flock) with one shot.

The story/article told of holding 4' above the surface to allow for drop, shot cloud spread and the ducks taking off with the smoke cloud, before the shot got there, then rising up into the shot cloud. The first pellets would strike probably at 90 yards or so and out to 130yards. #1 shot was preferred as it was plenty for ducks. Geese would likely see larger shot, perhaps B or BB.

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Re: Punt gun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #307563 - 10/11/17 02:15 PM

I would bet that you would have to wait several minutes for the smoke to clear before you could collect your ducks.

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Re: Punt gun [Re: lancaster]
      #307569 - 10/11/17 07:31 PM

Quote:

they try it





dont know if it ever works




That looks like on an aeroplane? Recoil might be a problem on such a light plane made of twigs, string and paper ...

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Re: Punt gun [Re: NitroX]
      #307612 - 11/11/17 03:41 AM

These photos are priceless. Thank you very much for posting.

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Re: Punt gun [Re: NitroX]
      #307620 - 11/11/17 05:08 AM

Quote:

Quote:

they try it





dont know if it ever works




That looks like on an aeroplane? Recoil might be a problem on such a light plane made of twigs, string and paper ...




Yes NitroX - a plane it is & appears to be an even earlier

version of 1914 Morane-Saulnier. Ah yes - 1910 on the photo.

It could also have been an earlier Blériot La Vache as it

appears likely that it has a rear engine, behind the wing.

A stressed frame would not take the recoil, of that I am

fairly certain, stressed, as in flying at the time of discharge.

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Re: Punt gun [Re: lancaster]
      #307629 - 11/11/17 07:05 AM














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Re: Punt gun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #309117 - 18/12/17 04:09 AM

punt gun firing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys80KJ5FHeY

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Re: Punt gun [Re: lancaster]
      #309170 - 19/12/17 11:49 AM

You would have to have that thing mounted on a decent sized boat to keep from swamping when you pulled the trigger.

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Re: Punt gun [Re: cordite]
      #313966 - 14/03/18 01:30 PM

Shoulder fired Punt gun. French and made in 8 and 4 bore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBwU7_5qAmI

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Re: Punt gun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #313977 - 14/03/18 09:19 PM

How many Darne punt guns did this company make?And what period were they made?

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Re: Punt gun [Re: 4al2]
      #313980 - 14/03/18 10:53 PM

probably between 1900 and 1939 made

this guns are rarely in auction but I had see this before

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Re: Punt gun [Re: lancaster]
      #316076 - 04/05/18 07:10 PM

interesting pics of a hard used french 37 mm Manufrance steel case






the case is stamped onj the side


250 euro asking price


https://www.naturabuy.fr/Douille-acier-37mm-Canardiere-MANUFRANCE-item-4740708.html
dont had such a case in my hands but pretty sure it follow the 1,5" Eley shell in measurments

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