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casper50
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My gunsmith needs some info
      #311833 - 07/02/18 09:03 AM

I was lucky enough to find an original scope, claw mount and rings for my 1905 MS. My gunsmith needs to know how deep to make the dovetail. Has anyone got a 1905 with original type claw mounts that they could measure the depth of the dovetail for me? I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.

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Re: My gunsmith needs some info [Re: casper50]
      #311836 - 07/02/18 10:55 AM

I have a M1910 with claw mounts, but it is my understanding that these were not installed by Steyr.

Kuduae or Marblekonus may be able to provide more background here.

I do know that several styles of mounts were fitted to MS rifles and carbines by retailers and smiths worldwide over the years. The proper way to mount them would be to add a saddle with the dovetail cut into it, rather than to cut directly into the receiver as so many (including mine) were done.


The Dorleac on this page looks like a fine example:
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These look good:


German Claw Mount

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Re: My gunsmith needs some info [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #311863 - 07/02/18 04:18 PM

the claw mounts that I have need to have the front dovetailed. I know it's not allowed by the proof house anymore but thousands were done that way and are fine. Mounts for these are really hard to find.

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Re: My gunsmith needs some info [Re: casper50]
      #311871 - 07/02/18 07:53 PM

Recknagel and Ziegler have quite a range of claw mounts available off the shelf. Recknagel at least is available from NECG.

You don't necessarily need to fit the dovetail base into the receiver, rather get your gunsmith to machine either a clamp ring which goes around the start of the barrel before the knox form or you can machine one up that can be soldered on. The barrel is smaller than the receiver so there should be enough height difference to fit the dovetail base.

Remember too that normally when fitting claw mounts, the bases are fitted first and then the rings are machined and filed to suit the bases which are already fitted. They have to be set up with a small amount of pre-tension in the scope so that the rings snap in and don't wobble around. I feel that this would be quite difficult to achieve with a set of rings that have already been fitted, especially to a Mannlicher where the rear base is screwed in from the side and on an angle. Still, I am sure that Joel Dorleac will be able to guide you as he is the master of the claw mount.

If you do decide to still machine the receiver remember that you will loose some of the lovely markings on the receiver which is what makes a MS so special. I would make sure that the gunsmith gets the dovetail cutter ground to have a 0.020" radius at the corner which will leave your receiver significantly stronger, even small radii make a big difference in a piece of highly stressed metal to resist cracking. You will have to match the radius on the edge of the base but that is easy.


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casper50
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Re: My gunsmith needs some info [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #311902 - 08/02/18 04:46 AM

THe claw mounts are already soldered to the scope. It's an original period scope and claw mounts that were taken off of another MS. I have no desire to go out and buy very expensive new ones if I can get the old ones to work. They will look period and work just as well now as they did then.

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Re: My gunsmith needs some info [Re: casper50]
      #311903 - 08/02/18 04:57 AM

Standard front claw mount plate height is 6mm, dovetail depth is 5mm.
Hope that will help.

All the best.

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Re: My gunsmith needs some info [Re: casper50]
      #311912 - 08/02/18 07:12 AM

Quote:

Mounts for these are really hard to find.



Pieces parts:
German Claw Mount

They sell the 'saddle' by itself.







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casper50
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Re: My gunsmith needs some info [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #311920 - 08/02/18 07:50 AM

Thanks DORLEAC.

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Re: My gunsmith needs some info [Re: casper50]
      #312151 - 10/02/18 04:35 PM

Recknagel or Ziegler make a significant variety of these mounts and I found exactly what was required for my M1903 using a combination of both.

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