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shakari
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A better way to pay trophy fees?
#31128 - 14/05/05 09:21 PM

Traditionally trophy fees and ancilliary costs are usually paid with cash or travellers cheques at the end of the safari. With the modern technology available today how many of you would prefer the outfitter to use his satellite phone to arrange this payment via your credit card straight to his bank account?

It would of course mean that you would have to pay an additional 3 to 4% to cover the additional charges.

Thank you all in advance for taking the trouble to reply.

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Re: A better way to pay trophy fees? [Re: shakari]
#31131 - 14/05/05 10:11 PM

Not a bad idea, as it means carrying a smaller wad of traveller's cheques/cash.
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Re: A better way to pay trophy fees? [Re: shakari]
#31136 - 14/05/05 11:50 PM

In reply to:

It would of course mean that you would have to pay an additional 3 to 4% to cover the additional charges.

Or that the outfitter would pay 3-4% for the convenience of having thier money immediately available electronically. Sorry, but if i just spent $7K, I personally don't want to feel like I'm being "nickeled and dimed" over a 200 CC service fee. Build that cost in up front and then offer a "Cash discount." That's a better way to market the concept IMO.

Personally, I don't like the CC idea... not so sure how secure satellite conversations are, and definitely don't want any of my CC numbers floating around -or above- Africa.

I usually don't settle up with my PH until I get back home (I use the same one), and we never really discuss payment at the close of the hunt. However, I've been in camp with other hunters nearby and know that his normal couse of business is conducted that way... payment in full, at the end of the hunt.

I've known my PH for about 10-years so I guess that's the difference.

Maybe we don't need 21st century technology, when 19th would do just fine... as the best scenario would be to simply move final paymnet (as close as could be projected) into an escrowed account prior to the hunt. Then both Outfitter & hunter know the money is there and both are "protected," and no one has to worry about carrying excessive amounts of cash or TCs.

It works well for buying houses... just an idea.

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Re: A better way to pay trophy fees? [Re: new_guy]
#31140 - 15/05/05 12:15 AM

AT the end of my Safari I just wrote a personal check. I paid the tips in a combinaton of US currency and Travelers Cheques.
I would not want to carry that much money even in Travelers Cheques.

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Re: A better way to pay trophy fees? [Re: NE450No2]
#31141 - 15/05/05 12:25 AM

It is a useful option that could be utilised. BUT as long as it is not through some crappy African "official" exchange rate that is twenty times worse than the black market rate.

A 4% fee is quite high though.

If this existed I would consider perhaps using a combination of all three options available to me:
- cash;
- travellors cheques;
- credit card.

Plus of course agreeing to transfer the balance if any is left over when I get home.

I do not like using a credit card for hotels etc in crappy third world countries where I have no idea what ER is being charged. People can get real nasty surprises this way when they get home.

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Re: A better way to pay trophy fees? [Re: NitroX]
#31155 - 15/05/05 02:36 AM

John,

For our safaris the cost would be in USD and the exchange rate set by the cc company in the country of origin. .....but I have no idea whatsoever if they're generous or not.

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Re: A better way to pay trophy fees? [Re: shakari]
#31210 - 15/05/05 07:43 PM

I have typically held back 25% of the charges until the trophies arrive in the US and are inspected. I learned that you never pay for anything up front the hard way. (this is not just in dealing woith Outfitters)

By putting all of dipping and packing on the same bill with the Outfitter. And by putting all of the charges on a credit card you would have the right to contest the bill even if the Outfitter had been paid. Sort of a back door insurance policy.

The Outfitter would be paid sooner and the customer would still have some control over a fast arrival and the condition of the trophies.

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Re: A better way to pay trophy fees? [Re: mickey]
#31255 - 16/05/05 06:58 PM

Shakari,

Using the card payment is a nice way of proceeding. 3 to 4% seems shocking . I believed it was between 0.5 and 2% ???
After due consideration it’s a very simple (and reliable ?)way of payment, banking % apart.
I cannot imagine the outfitter would take the risk my card payment could be cheated, if possible?
Usually, I am paying the outfitter the whole when booking (in France, we have no booking agent tradition). Sometimes, I pay permits, estimated dipping and packing …….. and estimated booze in advance too. At the end of the sojourn, remain fees and tips.
Tips are paid cash. The rest is up to the outfitter. If I have enough cash, I pay with it.
If I have not enough, I can pay with a check (no traveller check tradition as well) or the FOXY SOLUTION.
FOXY SOLUTION : many resident outfitters aren’t this happy to be paid on the African soil. They often prefer to be paid on a banking account abroad (USA or Europe). A couple of times I agreed to pay the outfitter either via wire transfer on his banking account abroad (say in France) or with cash at our next meeting at a Hunting Fair. All is based on trust.

Sorry Shakari,
I think the new technology is expensive and a mite risky. It’s good to know that if we are short on cash and checkless, we can envisage an electronic payment, but I’d use it only if contreived.

Mick! What means "Lovu zdar"?

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Re: A better way to pay trophy fees? [Re: shakari]
#31270 - 17/05/05 01:12 AM

May be sometimes can be useful but I still prefer to pay cash

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Re: A better way to pay trophy fees? [Re: 470Nitro]
#31322 - 17/05/05 05:19 PM

So far my way of payment has been a part before and the rest afterwards depending on what we shot. I think th cc payment is a good way if you don't know the client well enough but as earlier said the cost is on you so include it in the price.
When talking to people about hunting in Africa everybody is afraid of all the extra costs that might appear. This would be just that extra cost they don't like. Though I don't think anyone (not many at least) bother if the trophy price for a kudu is 890 USD or 930 USD for example.

Also it might be good to have a backup plan if the cc won't work, that can happen even in the most modern enviroments!

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