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Rob Leathum settles-the-45acp-vs-9mm-debate..kind of :)
      #310621 - 19/01/18 01:54 AM

https://gunsandgeardaily.com/rob-leatham-settles-the-45acp-vs-9mm-debate/

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Re: Rob Leathum settles-the-45acp-vs-9mm-debate..kind of :) [Re: Ripp]
      #310631 - 19/01/18 05:21 AM

Similar to my tests and my rack of plates I made for my boys in Corrections. The rack had 6 plates on it, which were adjustable to 'power factor'.
I had them set so a 9mm 115gr. within an inch of the top, would knock them over, 1100fps with 115gr - 126 PF. A .38 SPL 158 at 850fps - 134PF hit in the middle would knock them over, but the 9mm would not.
My .45 with hard ball - 195PF would knock them over with a hit anywhere.
My 300gr.FN load with blue dot at 770fps - 231PF, and hard enough that some would re-set.
The reduced 300gr. FN at 650fps would as well having a PF of 195, same as Hard Ball. It was fun - I'd be on the second or third plate when the first one fell over - the sounds were way behind the shot.
Fun stuff this plate shooting.

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Re: Rob Leathum settles-the-45acp-vs-9mm-debate..kind of :) [Re: Daryl_S]
      #310634 - 19/01/18 05:58 AM

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Similar to my tests and my rack of plates I made for my boys in Corrections. The rack had 6 plates on it, which were adjustable to 'power factor'.
I had them set so a 9mm 115gr. within an inch of the top, would knock them over, 1100fps with 115gr - 126 PF. A .38 SPL 158 at 850fps - 134PF hit in the middle would knock them over, but the 9mm would not.
My .45 with hard ball - 195PF would knock them over with a hit anywhere.
My 300gr.FN load with blue dot at 770fps - 231PF, and hard enough that some would re-set.
The reduced 300gr. FN at 650fps would as well having a PF of 195, same as Hard Ball. It was fun - I'd be on the second or third plate when the first one fell over - the sounds were way behind the shot.
Fun stuff this plate shooting.




Years ago we had a indoor shooting league here in town..there would be 8 bowling pins set up from 5 to 20 yards..you had to "clear the deck" on your side before the guy beside you did..The first time I competed I used a Beretta model 92 in 9mm...as you stated, I had to shoot the pins 2-3 times in some cases to get them off of the plywood sheet they were set on..the following week I showed up with a 45acp..one shot each was all that was needed to blow them off...big difference as the video suggests...

I felt Rob also had a very legitimate point stating the 9mm is still a very viable personal defense option as is even a .380 or smaller..provided the hits were on the mark and proper bullet selection was used...personally, for self defense, I would not want to go lighter than 9mm....

Ripp

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Re: Rob Leathum settles-the-45acp-vs-9mm-debate..kind of :) [Re: Ripp]
      #310683 - 20/01/18 07:39 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Thanks for sharing Ripp.

Rob Leatham is "The Man" (along with J.M.Browning and Jeff Cooper), and has shot more ammo (very accurately), than most people ever have or will see.
This is very good explanation of how these things work.

Avagreatweekendeh!
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Re: Rob Leathum settles-the-45acp-vs-9mm-debate..kind of :) [Re: Homer]
      #310822 - 22/01/18 11:24 PM

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G'Day Fella's,

Thanks for sharing Ripp.

Rob Leatham is "The Man" (along with J.M.Browning and Jeff Cooper), and has shot more ammo (very accurately), than most people ever have or will see.
This is very good explanation of how these things work.

Avagreatweekendeh!
Homer




Agree--Rob seems like a great guy..and have also been following him for years...respect most of what he says..

Ripp

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