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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Remington]
      #305414 - 16/09/17 06:07 PM

That is an excellent decision compatriot, and the money you save in the purchase of another weapon would be good to use it in practicing with the rifle you have as much as you can and know perfectly the behavior of your rifle with different types and bullet weights, as well as different brands of cartridge, because that depends on success and failure in a hunt. I also advise you to buy a good visor, with good frames and rings, as it is another very important factor. I know the problem in our country to practice with our rifles, how expensive the ammunition buy, the limited range of shooting, but you have to do everything possible to practice. And I say it does not shoot centuries lol.

Good weekend.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: ovny]
      #305416 - 16/09/17 06:20 PM

Thank you.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Sarg]
      #305423 - 16/09/17 09:09 PM

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I have used the 458Win a lot, it is awesome, shoot everything with it out to 200+ yards even with the 500gr bullet, even crows around the camp (can't go near the .22 in the cook shed as they to smart for that)
Have shot wounded Buff in the rump & had the solid come out the nose !

Don't forget on the Zastava when they were cheap in Oz the Aussie dollar was = or more than the US !



But they weren't US guns? Or did they take a trip through the US on their way here? Wouldn't surprise me.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Ash]
      #305429 - 17/09/17 12:31 AM

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I have used the 458Win a lot, it is awesome, shoot everything with it out to 200+ yards even with the 500gr bullet, even crows around the camp (can't go near the .22 in the cook shed as they to smart for that)
Have shot wounded Buff in the rump & had the solid come out the nose !

Don't forget on the Zastava when they were cheap in Oz the Aussie dollar was = or more than the US !



But they weren't US guns? Or did they take a trip through the US on their way here? Wouldn't surprise me.



No just saying the Aussie dollars was top value back then with good buying power !

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Ash]
      #305431 - 17/09/17 12:36 AM

Imported goods are often or usually priced in US$.

So if the Australian dollar is strong to the IUS dollar, our price is cheaper. If it is $A1=$US1, $US600 is $A600 (plus other costs). If it is $A1=$US0.60, $US600 is $A1000.

Zastava's are Serbian or something like that, but would be priced in US dollars.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: DarylS]
      #305470 - 17/09/17 10:10 PM

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Should have bought a truckload of the Zastava walnut and plastic stocked 9.3x62's when tradeexcanada was selling them for $450.00.



Beware of the Magnum Zasty's. There were quite a few in Aust were the scope base mounting holes did not line up with each other and also with the axis of the action. Plus the rounding of the top of the action was off center or out of shape. looked like their jigs had worn and they did nothing about them This problem caused the importer to stop bringing in the magnum actions. Shame as they shot as well as any rifle and better than most.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Remington]
      #305711 - 25/09/17 01:27 PM

I will admit to never having shot or faced an elephant with a .458Win Mag but I have owned, used and reloaded for three, two belgian FN Browning Safaris and a CZ 550 Mag. Hornady Superformance factory loads are within 10fps of the .470 NE. Handloads with 450 gr and 480gr bullets give it an edge on the .416s at ranges it was designed for.

This guy likes it a lot.
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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #305714 - 25/09/17 04:54 PM

.458Win., member here, has been very happy with his .458Win.Mag. as a stopping rifle for backup when hunting the worlds biggest bears in Alaska.

Surprised he hasn't chimed in here in this thread, however this thread seems to run about once a year or so.

Personally, I've never had a .458Win Mag, however I have had a .458Alaskan (my name for this wildcat) which has about 4-7gr. more capacity than Winchester's version.

When using Banes .458Win. Mag. data for my loads, my 24" bl. duplicated the velocities Barnes gave for their test rifle, also24" iirc. Perhaps my seating depth had something to due with my rifle giving higher velocities than I thought I would get, or simply our rifles developed similar pressures and speeds with the same loads.

My .458 Alaskan case was the .450 Alaskan which is a necked and blown out .348 Win.Case. I simply turned the rim to .532" and cut a new extractor groove so they'd work in a normal magnum bolt and action.

Case feed also worked fine although the original rifle was a Winchester M70 in .264Win.,Mag. with it's ridiculous 22" bl.

I simply re-barreled it to a Shilen barrel I had and chambered that .458 barrel with my .450 Alaskan reamer.

That was the rifle that finished off my shoulder cartilage to the point I could not shoot any CF guns for a year.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Remington]
      #305717 - 25/09/17 11:12 PM

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Thank you for your answers and interest, I do not think I ever buy a rifle in a large caliber cartridge, I do think that I will think of a rifle in a cartridge that complements the 338 WM type 270 Winchester, 270 WSM, 280 Remington, 257 Weatherby Magnum of which I have read that it is lightning) or the like. But for now and with the little game that I practice, the 338 covers all my expectations. And if in some hunt is pulled very close I take the shotgun of the caliber 12 and with this weapon (repeater Benelli) I believe that up to 50 meters what the bullet touch leaves it on the site.

regards

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Just an FYI regarding the .257 Weatherby..I used that caliber A LOT for pronghorn and deer..actually just broke it out the other day and got one of them sighted in for the upcomoing season..incredibly devastating on anything I have shot with it..because of its speed I have stuck primarily with 100gr Barners Triple Shocks..have used Nosler Ballistic tips when I really want to blow things up (prairie dogs, coyotes, wolves

I have loaded mine anywhere from 3670fps to 3750fps ---depending on powder, etc...the 257W shoots like a 22-250 with double the bullet weight..really enjoy that caliber..

Built two on Remington actions, one on a titanium action the other on a standard stainless..put Hart barrels on both..both will shoot under 1/2" groups all day long..

Tried the Weatherby lightweight models, I was NOT a fan..and accuracy was not what I want nor expect, so went the custom route...

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Edited by Ripp (25/09/17 11:14 PM)

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Ripp]
      #305719 - 26/09/17 02:18 AM

Hi, I see a lot of use to the 458 Winchester Magnum, even to hunt in my country, simply recharging. I think it can lead to the power of 45-70 Government and that cartridge is very suitable for the type of game that is practiced in Spain, a good bullet pulling soft from about 300-350 grains at a speed of 700 m / s is a good argument that will leave the biggest boar on its tracks. At the moment I trust in my 338 Winchester Magnum and if someday my economy improves, maybe I'll consider buying a big hole. Simply by whim.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Remington]
      #305720 - 26/09/17 02:23 AM

Hi Ripp, thanks for your exposure on the 257 Weatherby, it's a cartridge that I really like and its performance is impressive. In Spain at the present time Weatherby is very expensive and I have compared the WSM 270 with the 257 Weatheby and its benefits do not go very far (actually the WSM 270 is very similar to the 270 Weatherby) and its price is somewhat lower. But as I said in my previous post, because I believe that money is not enough, there are reforms to carry out at home and many expenses in general. I will continue to dream of many cartridges and when I can enjoy the 338 WM that I think is a good cartridge.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Remington]
      #305727 - 26/09/17 04:20 AM

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Hi Ripp, thanks for your exposure on the 257 Weatherby, it's a cartridge that I really like and its performance is impressive. In Spain at the present time Weatherby is very expensive and I have compared the WSM 270 with the 257 Weatheby and its benefits do not go very far (actually the WSM 270 is very similar to the 270 Weatherby) and its price is somewhat lower. But as I said in my previous post, because I believe that money is not enough, there are reforms to carry out at home and many expenses in general. I will continue to dream of many cartridges and when I can enjoy the 338 WM that I think is a good cartridge.

Regards,

Remington.



In my experience, Weatherby is behind the curve a bita nd had been for some time..

There are too many GOOD rifle companies out there that offer more in terms of overall quality and accuracy for a better price point..the days of guaranteed 1 1/2 inch accuracy has been gone for over a decade or more..I know now they are offering "Range Certified" with a 1" guarantee..but in my experience, with factory ammo, which is Weatherby's claim, I have had 1 out of 6 that actually made that..and it was a 240 Weatherby...If I personally have a firearm that will only go 1 1/2" I normally get rid of it..now many are making a guarantee of 1/2" ...up to .30 caliber..

I have had and shot many Weatherby's through the years..think in their day they were considered a o.k firearm.. Not sure how/what they are thought of today, but those PH's I have talked to in Africa, typically are not fans... Personally, neither am I..but each to their own..if you like them, good for you..variety is what makes the world go around..

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Remington]
      #305738 - 26/09/17 03:56 PM

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Hi Ripp, thanks for your exposure on the 257 Weatherby, it's a cartridge that I really like and its performance is impressive. In Spain at the present time Weatherby is very expensive and I have compared the WSM 270 with the 257 Weatheby and its benefits do not go very far (actually the WSM 270 is very similar to the 270 Weatherby) and its price is somewhat lower. But as I said in my previous post, because I believe that money is not enough, there are reforms to carry out at home and many expenses in general. I will continue to dream of many cartridges and when I can enjoy the 338 WM that I think is a good cartridge.

Regards,

Remington.



Remington, do not worry, with the 338 WM you are well armed to tackle the hunting of any animal on this planet except the so-called dangerous and even this cartridge is enough solvent to shoot down big cats including the lion (which surely would not let you hunt with the 338 WM but this cartridge slaughter a lion quite effectively). In Spain you go armed with plenty and you will have to be careful when choosing the bullets but you want to cross the piece losing much of energy without transmitting it to the animal. So enjoy your cartridge and good hunting.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Ripp]
      #305790 - 28/09/17 04:52 PM

Our bear season starts in a few days and my 458 will be headed out with me

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: 458Win]
      #305801 - 29/09/17 02:57 AM

Good hunting, Phil!

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: DarylS]
      #305857 - 01/10/17 05:42 AM

Good hunting.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Remington]
      #308938 - 12/12/17 04:06 PM

I own two .458 Win Mags. The Browning Safari FN Mauser has a mag for 3.34 or slightly longer cartridges but the CZ 550 has a long mag that allows 500gr and 400gr Barnes to be loaded to 3.6" COL.
There is ample freebore at that length and I can use Lott loads since I now have the same powder capacity.500gr at 2300fps and 5600 ft-lbs of energy.The long 3.6" loads will not fit in the Browning mag but will fit in the chamber(since I am using 2.5" Win Mag brass). This allows me to take my first shot with a Lott equivalent and 3 follow up shots with standard length loads. There is a considerable difference in recoil but when facing dangerous game it is a moot point.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #370291 - 14/10/22 08:58 AM

In the 2021 annual Gun Digest I wrote a full length feature on "Old Ugly" my MkX .458 Win that I have carried for the past 38 years ! It's a further update of the feature I wrote on the rifle for the Sept-Oct 1985 & the July 2003 issue of Rifle magazine.

Although I have tried numerous other rifles and really like the new stainless steel Ruger Alaskan .416 carbine, my 458 is the rifle I still prefer for fall brown near hunts

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: 458Win]
      #370293 - 14/10/22 09:35 AM

I still have one of the 1985 Rifle Articles, Phil. My .458 2" had a 3/8" freebore, which allowed me to seat bullets out a ways. I ran 2,060fps with 510gr. Winchesters & 2,200fps with 400gr. Barnes & 2,300fps with 350 Hornady RN's.
I packed it guiding, but at that time, had 520gr. RCBS cast loaded to 1,600fps. Killed a wounded 6 1/2 foot black bear and a black wolf with those loads. They worked.
The .458's (.458 2" x 2 and .458 Alaskan) tore up the cartilage in my right shoulder, fore and aft, but didn't damage the rotator cuff for some reason. Figured approx. 15,000 rounds through them total.
The .458 Alaskan on a Model 70 Winch. (.450 Alaskan recess rim and new extractor groove) did 2,250fps with 500 Hornadys. According to Donnely, it has just about 8 gr. more capacity than the .458 Winchester. I used my .450 Alaskan reamer for the chamber.
I've always felt the .458 Winchester of today, does not deserve the bad press it got from long-term hot weather temperature with the ball powders of old - 50's through 70's ammo in Africa.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: DarylS]
      #370324 - 15/10/22 05:43 AM

Daryl, I agree that the 458 is , and always was, a better round than what a number of high profile gun writers wanted to believe. With today's powders it is easy to duplicate the early touted ballistics of a 500 gr bullet at 2150 fps.
Which was all Jack Lott claimed he was after when he "developed" his 458 Lott.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: 458Win]
      #370325 - 15/10/22 05:58 AM

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In the 2021 annual Gun Digest I wrote a full length feature on "Old Ugly" my MkX .458 Win that I have carried for the past 38 years ! It's a further update of the feature I wrote on the rifle for the Sept-Oct 1985 & the July 2003 issue of Rifle magazine.

Although I have tried numerous other rifles and really like the new stainless steel Ruger Alaskan .416 carbine, my 458 is the rifle I still prefer for fall brown near hunts



I believe I still have that article in my gun room. Remember the pic of that rifle..made me smile and think "If only that rifle could talk"...

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: Ripp]
      #370328 - 15/10/22 09:14 AM

Yeah - the green camo paint & scratches kinda stood out.

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: DarylS]
      #370339 - 15/10/22 06:39 PM

Can we find that article for the Nickudu files? If Phil doesn't mind?

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: NitroX]
      #370357 - 16/10/22 05:26 AM

I don't mind a bit

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Re: 458 Winchester Magnum [Re: 458Win]
      #370457 - 18/10/22 10:28 PM

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In the 2021 annual Gun Digest I wrote a full length feature on "Old Ugly" my MkX .458 Win that I have carried for the past 38 years ! It's a further update of the feature I wrote on the rifle for the Sept-Oct 1985 & the July 2003 issue of Rifle magazine.



Off topic, but I remember the 2003 article well, including the photos! I guess I'm dating myself. I also remember sitting in the Loussac library and reading one of your articles on your 505 Gibbs (and its "muzzle flash" ) back around 2000 or so, and dreaming to myself, one day. Sanity intervened and I stuck with a 375, thankfully in hindsight. That was back in the heyday of that magazine to me.

Good luck with the season and best regards,
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