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While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6
      #308412 - 28/11/17 09:52 AM

1944 Messerschmitt BF-109G-6 "Black 8"
s/n 440738 D-FMGS
€4,950,000 (Plus V.A.T. if applicable)

http://www.platinumfighters.com/bf109g6










SPECIFCATIONS
1944 Messerschmitt BF-109G-6
"Black 8"
s/n 440738 D-FMGS
€4,950,000 (Plus V.A.T. if applicable)



Manufacturer: Messerschmitt

Make: Bf-109

Model: G-6

Year: 1944

Serial: 440738

Registration: D-FMGS

Who Restored: Michael Rinner / Meier Motors



Engine: Daimler Benz 605A

Hours Since Overhaul: 0

Who Overhauled: Michael Rinner + Testruns under supervision of Flugmotoren-Reparatur Dachsel GmbH



Propeller: Vereinigte Deutsche Metallwerke VDM 9-12087A

Manufacturer: Skycraft / Hoffmann Blades

Model: VDM 9-12087A

Time Since Overhaul: 0



Avionics:

Radios: Becker AR 6201

Transponder: Becker AR 6201

Encoder:

ELT: Kannad



Exterior:

Paint Scheme:

Quality - 10 out of 10:



Interior:

Color:

Quality - 10 out of 10:



Other: Disc-Brakes



History:

1944 build at Wiener Neustädter Flugzeugwerken

- delivered to „Jagdgeschwader 27“ (JG 27)

- flown by lieutenant Schulte

- crashed at 29.05.1944 in the near of Matzleinsdorf / Melk

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Location: Germany

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: NitroX]
      #308413 - 28/11/17 10:14 AM

No relation, my ancestors left a hundred years before this, but was interested to see an ace with the same surname. From WW2.



108 victories.












The Hahn emblem.










'Cocky' looking bastard.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: NitroX]
      #308421 - 28/11/17 02:15 PM

Quite a repertoire, Nitro. 105 or 108- either is VERY impressive.
Hans "Assi" Hahn. Assi- as in, most relatives in Australia? or - is an abbreviation of a given name?

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #308432 - 28/11/17 06:44 PM

Bf109-G, certainly is a grand piece of sporting equipment.

Very good background history on Assi.


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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #308434 - 28/11/17 09:26 PM

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Quite a repertoire, Nitro. 105 or 108- either is VERY impressive.
Hans "Assi" Hahn. Assi- as in, most relatives in Australia? or - is an abbreviation of a given name?




Not sure what you are talking about?

No relative at all as mentioned. Not to my knowledge anyway.

"Assi" , no idea where the nickname comes from.

Hans is a Christian name, but also a shortened version of Johann or Johannes. Hahn can also be a version of son of Hahn, ie equivalent of Johnannson. Shortened over the years. Lots of Hahns have the name John, Johann, Johannes.

Some of the images refer to Hans "Assi" von Hahn. Whether the von or of is correct in the images I don't know. But there was a Graf von Hahn ie a Graf is a Count or Earl. A movie producer Graf von Hahn was married toi a Hahn, the Grafina von Hahn-Hahn. There are a number of towns in Germany called Hahn. Not sure which was the seat of the "County".

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: NitroX]
      #308435 - 28/11/17 09:33 PM

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His friends initially nicknamed him "Hansi", a diminutive of his first name Hans, which over time was abbreviated and altered to "Assi".[3]




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_"Assi"_Hahn

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Hans "Assi" Hahn
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other people named Hans Hahn, see Hans Hahn (disambiguation).
Hans Hahn
Hans 'Assi' Hahn.jpg
Hans "Assi" Hahn
Nickname(s) Assi
Born 14 April 1914
Gotha, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, German Empire
Died 18 December 1982 (aged 68)
Munich, Bavaria, West Germany
Allegiance Nazi Germany
Service/branch Army (1934–35)
Luftwaffe (1935–45)
Years of service 1934–45
Rank Major
Unit JG 2, JG 54
Commands held 4./JG 2, III./JG 2, II./JG 54
Battles/wars

World War II

Battle of France
Battle of Britain
Eastern Front

Awards Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves
Relations Heinrich von Vietinghoff (father-in-law)

Hans Robert Fritz Hahn (14 April 1914 – 18 December 1982) who was nicknamed "Assi" was a German Luftwaffe military aviator during World War II, a fighter ace credited with 108 enemy aircraft shot down in 560 combat missions. He claimed 66 victories over the Western Front, of which 53 were Supermarine Spitfires. Of the 42 victories he recorded over the Eastern Front, at least seven were Il-2 Sturmovik ground-attack aircraft.

Born in Gotha, Hahn volunteered for military service in the Wehrmacht of the Third Reich in 1934. Initially serving in the Heer (Army), he transferred to the Luftwaffe (Air Force) in late 1935. Following flight training, he was posted to Jagdgeschwader 134 "Horst Wessel" (JG 134—134th Fighter Wing) in April 1936. In November 1937, Hahn was posted as a flight instructor to the Jagdfliegerschule (fighter flying school) at Werneuchen. On 1 February 1939 he was transferred to the Stabstaffel of I. Gruppe (1st group) of Jagdgeschwader 3 (JG 3—3rd Fighter Wing), based at Merseburg. Hahn transferred to Jagdgeschwader 2 (JG 2—2nd Fighter Wing) "Richthofen" on 11 October 1939 and on 15 December, he was appointed Staffelkapitän (squadron leader) of 4. Staffel of JG 2 "Richthofen". There he claimed his first victory on 14 May 1940, during the Battle of France, over a Royal Air Force Hawker Hurricane fighter. He claimed five victories during the French campaign and further victories during the Battle of Britain which led to the presentation of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross on 20 September 1940. On 29 October 1940, Hahn took command of III. Gruppe of JG 2 "Richthofen" as Gruppenkommandeur (group commander). Following his 41st aerial victory he was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves on 14 August 1941. Legally, it was Germany's highest military decoration at the time of its presentation to Hahn.[Note 1] On 16 September 1942, Hahn claimed his 66th and last victory on the Western Front. Hahn was then appointed Gruppenkommandeur of II. Gruppe of Jagdgeschwader 54 (JG 54—54th Fighter Wing) operating on the Eastern Front. Over the next three months, he claimed 42 further victories, which included his 100th on 27 January 1943.

On 21 February 1943, Hahn made a forced landing following combat with Soviet fighters and was taken prisoner of war. He remained in captivity until late 1950. Following his release, Hahn wrote his memoirs "I Speak the Truth" (Ich spreche die Wahrheit) recounted his detailed life in Soviet captivity. He then became a successful businessman before retiring in 1977 to the south of France. He died of cancer on 18 December 1982 in Munich.

Contents

1 Early life and career
2 World War II
3 Prisoner of war
4 Later life
5 Awards
6 Works
7 Notes
8 References
8.1 Citations
8.2 Bibliography

Early life and career

Hahn was born on 14 April 1914 in Gotha, at the time in Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, present-day in Thuringia. His parents were Arthur, a Finanzrat (Fiscal Council), and his mother Helene.[2] He also had an older sister named Käte. A talented athlete, he was selected to participate in the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin in the Pentathlon, but he had to withdraw due to illness. His friends initially nicknamed him "Hansi", a diminutive of his first name Hans, which over time was abbreviated and altered to "Assi".[3]
Hahn attended the Ernestinum Gymnasium in Gotha.

Hahn enlisted in the Reichswehr on 1 April 1934 as a Fahnenjunker (officer candidate) in 14. (Badisches) Infanterie-Regiment (14th Infantry Regiment). On 1 December 1934, he was promoted to Unteroffizier (corporal). From January to October 1935 he attended the Kriegsschule (war college) in Munich and was promoted to Oberfähnrich (master sergeant) on 1 October 1935.[4] In November 1935, Hahn transferred to the Luftwaffe, and underwent flight training at Celle. He was promoted to Leutnant (second lieutenant) on 1 April 1936.[5] On 15 April 1936, Hahn was posted to 4. Staffel (4th squadron) of Jagdgeschwader 134 "Horst Wessel" (JG 134—134th Fighter Wing),[Note 2] named after the martyr of the Nazi movement Horst Wessel. The unit was based at Werl near Dortmund. There he flew the Arado Ar 65, Ar 68 and the then new Messerschmitt Bf 109, first the B later the D-1 variant. This assignment ended on 31 October 1937.[6]
Assi Hahn's emblem

From 1 November 1937 to 1 April 1938, Hahn served as a flight instructor and Staffelführer (flight leader) of 1. Staffel in the newly created Jagdfliegerschule (fighter flying school) at Werneuchen.[6] Acknowledging his leadership skill, he was promoted to Oberleutnant (first lieutenant) on 1 February 1939. He was then transferred to the Stabstaffel of I. Gruppe (1st group) of Jagdgeschwader 3 (JG 3—3rd Fighter Wing), based at Merseburg.[7] There Hahn introduced his personal emblem of a rooster's head. Hahn in German literally translates in English to rooster.[8]

On 11 October 1939, II. Gruppe of Jagdgeschwader 2 "Richthofen" (JG 2—2nd Fighter Wing), named after the after World War I fighter ace Manfred von Richthofen, was formed from elements of I. Gruppe of JG 2 "Richthofen" and I. Gruppe of JG 3, at Zerbst. Hahn was appointed Staffelkapitän (squadron leader) of 4. Staffel of JG 2 "Richthofen" on 15 December 1939.[9]
World War II

World War II in Europe began on Friday, 1 September 1939, when German forces invaded Poland. In February 1940, II. Gruppe of JG 2 "Richthofen" relocated to Nordholz. Following the start of the Battle of France on 10 May, the Gruppe moved to Münster and then to airfields in Belgium. Hahn claimed his first victory on 14 May 1940 over a Royal Air Force (RAF) Hawker Hurricane fighter.[9]
Messerschmitt Bf 109 F-2, Hans Hahn, France 1941

Hahn would claim five victories during the Battle of France, before becoming even more successful in the Battle of Britain. After 20 claims by September 1940, Hahn was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross (Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes), promoted to the rank of Hauptmann and Gruppenkommandeur (group commander) of III./JG 2. Hauptmann Hahn was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves (Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes mit Eichenlaub) in August 1941 for 41 victories. The presentation was made on 27 August 1941 by Hitler at the Führer Headquarter Wolfsschanze in Rastenburg (now Kętrzyn in Poland). Also present at the award ceremony were the fighter pilots Oberleutnant Hans Philipp and Oberleutnant Heinz Bär who were also awarded the Oak Leaves to the Knight's Cross.[10]

Hahn became an "ace-in-a-day" for the first time on 6 May 1942, claiming five Spitfires shot down for aerial victories 61–65.
Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-3 of Hauptmann Hahn, JG 2

Hahn claimed a Supermarine Spitfire on 16 September 1942 to record his 66th claim over the Western Front. Two Spitfires were lost that day; one was shot down by Jagdgeschwader 26 "Schlageter" (JG 26) near Le Treport, while Spitfire Vb AB859 from No. 122 Squadron, piloted by Sgt G. Nadan crashed, owing to unknown reasons.[11]

Hahn was then appointed Gruppenkommandeur of II./Jagdgeschwader 54 Grünherz (JG 54), based near Leningrad on the Eastern Front, on 1 November 1942. In three months he claimed a further 42 Soviet kills. Hahn claimed his 100th victory on 26 January 1943. He was the 34th Luftwaffe pilot to achieve the century mark.[12]
Prisoner of war

Hahn documented his experiences as a prisoner of war upon his return in his narrative "I Speak the Truth" (Ich spreche die Wahrheit). The book begins with his last combat mission flown on 21 February 1943 and ends with his return in late 1949.[13] According to his own account, on Sunday 21 February 1943, Hahn intended to fly to Riga for a meeting with the Luftflotte 1 (1st Air Fleet) commanding staff. Since he had not planned to fly operationally, he did not wear his regular combat dress and did not carry a sidearm that day. On his way to his aircraft, he ran into his wingman, Max Stotz, who informed him that the Heer (German Army) had just requested fighter support over the Demyansk Pocket.[14][dubious – discuss]

On 21 February 1943, Hahn encountered fighters near Staraya, Russa. He shot down a Lavochkin La-5 fighter for his 108th victory before his aircraft received hits in the left wing. Disengaging from combat, Hahn's engine soon began overheating and he force-landed his Bf 109 G-2/R6 in enemy territory. Soviet sources claim Hahn was shot down by Soviet ace Leytenant Pavel Grazhdaninov (13 victories) of 169 IAP (169th Fighter Aviation Regiment).[Note 3]

Hahn was captured and subsequently made a prisoner of war. Hahn's recalcitrant and forceful personality even in the harsh Soviet regime of a prison camp meant he was held captive by the Soviet Union until 1950.
Later life

Hahn was released as a prisoner of war shortly before Christmas 1950. Among others, he was welcomed by his son but learned that his first wife had left him for another man. He worked at the International Corporation of Bayer Leverkusen and later became a director of Wano Schwarzpulver Company, which manufactured gunpowder, at Kunigunde near Goslar. In 1971, he married Gisela von Vietinghoff, daughter of the former Generaloberst Heinrich von Vietinghoff. Hahn retired in 1977 and lived in southern France. He died of cancer on 18 December 1982 in Munich and was buried in Tirol, Austria with his lifelong friend Julius Meimberg speaking at the memorial service.[15]
Awards

Iron Cross (1939)
2nd Class (30 May 1940)[16]
1st Class (13 June 1940)[16]
Front Flying Clasp of the Luftwaffe in Gold (26 April 1941)[17]
German Cross in Gold on 16 July 1942 as Hauptmann in the III./Jagdgeschwader 2[18]
Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves
Knight's Cross on 24 September 1940 as Oberleutnant and pilot in the 4./Jagdgeschwader 2 "Richthofen"[19][20][21]
Oak Leaves (32nd award) on 14 August 1941 as Hauptmann and Gruppenkommandeur of the III./Jagdgeschwader 2 "Richthofen"[19][22][23]

Dates of rank

1 April 1934: Fahnenjunker[4]
May 1934: Fahnenjunker-Gefreiter[4]
1 December 1934: Fahnenjunker-Unteroffizier[4]
1 October 1935: Oberfähnrich[4]
1 April 1936: Leutnant (Second Lieutenant)[4]
1 February 1939: Oberleutnant (First Lieutenant)[7]
29 October 1940: Hauptmann (Captain)[4]
1 January 1943: Major (Major)[4]
Works

Hahn, Assi (1951). Ich spreche die Wahrheit! [I speak the truth!] (in German). Esslingen, Germany: Bechtle. OCLC 686542.

Notes

Until late September 1941, the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves was second only to the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross (Großkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes), which was awarded only to senior commanders for winning a major battle or campaign, in the military order of the Third Reich. The Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves as highest military order was surpassed on 28 September 1941 by the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords (Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes mit Eichenlaub und Schwertern).[1]
For an explanation of Luftwaffe unit designations see Organization of the Luftwaffe during World War II.

IAP—Istrebitelny Aviatsionny Polk (Fighter Aviation Regiment—Истребительный Авиационный Полк)

References
Citations

Williamson & Bujeiro 2004, pp. 3, 7.
Stockert 1996, p. 193.
Crandall 2002, p. 7.
Crandall 2002, p. 116.
Crandall 2002, pp. 7–8.
Crandall 2002, p. 8.
Crandall 2002, p. 10.
Crandall 2002, p. 11.
Crandall 2002, p. 13.
Steinecke 2012, p. 22.
Franks 1998, p. 67.
Obermaier 1989, p. 243.
Hahn 1951, pp. 7, 251.
Hahn 1951, p. 7.
Crandall 2002, p. 115.
Thomas 1997, p. 241.
Crandall 2002, p. 160.
Patzwall & Scherzer 2001, p. 160.
Scherzer 2007, p. 361.
Fellgiebel 2000, p. 211.
Von Seemen 1976, p. 152.
Fellgiebel 2000, p. 55.

Von Seemen 1976, p. 26.

Bibliography

Crandall, Jerry (2002). Major Hans "Assi" Hahn—The Man and his Machines. Hamilton, MT: Eagle Editions. ISBN 978-0-9721060-0-9.
Fellgiebel, Walther-Peer (2000) [1986]. Die Träger des Ritterkreuzes des Eisernen Kreuzes 1939–1945 — Die Inhaber der höchsten Auszeichnung des Zweiten Weltkrieges aller Wehrmachtteile [The Bearers of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross 1939–1945 — The Owners of the Highest Award of the Second World War of all Wehrmacht Branches] (in German). Friedberg, Germany: Podzun-Pallas. ISBN 978-3-7909-0284-6.
Franks, Norman L. R. (1998). Royal Air Force Fighter Command Losses of the Second World War, Volume 2. Midland. ISBN 978-1-85780-075-3.
Obermaier, Ernst (1989). Die Ritterkreuzträger der Luftwaffe Jagdflieger 1939 – 1945 [The Knight's Cross Bearers of the Luftwaffe Fighter Force 1939 – 1945] (in German). Mainz, Germany: Verlag Dieter Hoffmann. ISBN 978-3-87341-065-7.
Patzwall, Klaus D.; Scherzer, Veit (2001). Das Deutsche Kreuz 1941 – 1945 Geschichte und Inhaber Band II [The German Cross 1941 – 1945 History and Recipients Volume 2] (in German). Norderstedt, Germany: Verlag Klaus D. Patzwall. ISBN 978-3-931533-45-8.
Scherzer, Veit (2007). Die Ritterkreuzträger 1939–1945 Die Inhaber des Ritterkreuzes des Eisernen Kreuzes 1939 von Heer, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine, Waffen-SS, Volkssturm sowie mit Deutschland verbündeter Streitkräfte nach den Unterlagen des Bundesarchives [The Knight's Cross Bearers 1939–1945 The Holders of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross 1939 by Army, Air Force, Navy, Waffen-SS, Volkssturm and Allied Forces with Germany According to the Documents of the Federal Archives] (in German). Jena, Germany: Scherzers Militaer-Verlag. ISBN 978-3-938845-17-2.
Spick, Mike (1996). Luftwaffe Fighter Aces. New York: Ivy Books. ISBN 978-0-8041-1696-1.
Steinecke, Gerhard (2012). Ritterkreuzträger Profile Nr. 11 Hans Philipp — Einer von Vielen [Knight's Cross Profiles Nr. 11 Hans Philipp — One of Many] (in German). UNITEC-Medienvertrieb. ASIN B008AIT9Z6 (4 January 2013).
Stockert, Peter (1996). Die Eichenlaubträger 1939–1945 Band 1 [The Oak Leaves Bearers 1939–1945 Volume 1] (in German). Bad Friedrichshall, Germany: Friedrichshaller Rundblick. ISBN 978-3-9802222-7-3.
Thomas, Franz (1997). Die Eichenlaubträger 1939–1945 Band 1: A–K [The Oak Leaves Bearers 1939–1945 Volume 1: A–K] (in German). Osnabrück, Germany: Biblio-Verlag. ISBN 978-3-7648-2299-6.
Von Seemen, Gerhard (1976). Die Ritterkreuzträger 1939–1945 : die Ritterkreuzträger sämtlicher Wehrmachtteile, Brillanten-, Schwerter- und Eichenlaubträger in der Reihenfolge der Verleihung : Anhang mit Verleihungsbestimmungen und weiteren Angaben [The Knight's Cross Bearers 1939–1945 : The Knight's Cross Bearers of All the Armed Services, Diamonds, Swords and Oak Leaves Bearers in the Order of Presentation: Appendix with Further Information and Presentation Requirements] (in German). Friedberg, Germany: Podzun-Verlag. ISBN 978-3-7909-0051-4.
Williamson, Gordon; Bujeiro, Ramiro (2004). Knight's Cross and Oak Leaves Recipients 1939–40. Oxford, UK: Osprey Publishing. ISBN 978-1-84176-641-6.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: Rule303]
      #308436 - 28/11/17 09:42 PM

Quote:

Bf109-G, certainly is a grand piece of sporting equipment.

Very good background history on Assi.




Yes.

I saw Daryl mentioning his interest in RC aircraft in the past. Daryl, you may be very useful!

I actually have a Messerschmidt ME109 RC aircraft, never made, still in the box from about 1999.

I bought it during an extremely over worked and highly stressed period of my life. I bought it to make and use as a stress reliever. Never found the time to make it. Have been thinking recently of doing it.

I did buy a "cheapie" RC plane at the same time. Make that first, learn to fly it, probably crash it .... before moving onto the ME109.

When purchasing it, I could only purchase a certain RC controller. I forget the specifics, but it only had ONE of something. The ME109 model could retract the under carriage, but only if the RC controller had TWO of something. Always planned to get the better controller. I wonder if they are still available today?

I do know now what sort of camouflage painting pattern I would paint on the model ME109, and what emblems.

"A flying Cock" Ha ha.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: NitroX]
      #308460 - 29/11/17 03:36 AM

1999 is quite a while back. The kit will still be workable though.

You will need 2 'retact' servos & depending on the model size, twin aileron servos, then one (or 2) for the elevators, 1 for the rudder and one for the throttle.

You will need a minimum of a 6 channel radio, 7 or 8 would be better to allow some 'mixing' of controls, however most 6 channel radios will do the job.

so- for channels, your radio needs

gear,
flaps,
ailerons,
elevator,
rudder,
throttle.

Most everyone today used a 2.4 megahertz radio.
I have this one and it works just fine. Mine is about 4 years old now. This is the newer version. It is called an entry level radio, however is a full 6 channel with some channel mixing and comes with a 6 channel receiver for the plane.

https://www.horizonhobby.com/dx6-g3-6-channel-dsmx-transmitter-with-ar6600t-rx-md2-p-spm6755

Today, hardly anyone builds complete planes as the ARF's have taken over.(ARF - Almost Ready to Fly)

They can be ready to fly in as little as 4 hours, but some take longer to assemble.
Kits are special, though.
Here is one my bro built, from a kit (crap, can't post it- don't have a picture account now). The kit was about $600.00. It is a 1/4 scale Albatros DVA (D5A)- 89" span and about 24 pounds. He powers it with a 30CC (1.80cu.in) Saito 4 stroke engine. Many of the parts were not 'scale' enough for him, so he built his own parts, inline 8 cylinder engine parts in particular, along with proper ammo chutes. This plane could win scale contest, easily, if flown properly, that is. Although it does not have the proper scale engine, the exhaust does come out the airplane engine's exhaust- looks amazing. Damn - I wish I could post it.
Oh well.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: NitroX]
      #308470 - 29/11/17 09:22 AM

Just a bit of technical background. Of the three main adversaries in the Battle of Brittan the Hurricane had the tightest turning circle,then the 109 then the Spit. However the 109's wing was basically bolted to the fuselage with 4 bolts and if you pulled to tight you could separate the wing from the fuselage. The better German pilots knew how far to push the plane but most did not push as hard as the plane would allow. Hence the belief the Spit could in turn a 109. Rate of roll I am not sure of however, the Spits improved when they replaced the fabric covered control surfaces with aluminum.

The 109 had leading edge slats. These pop open when the airspeed over the wing in near stall speed, hence decrease the stall speed. This was very advanced for its day and meant the 109 would not enter a high speed stall as soon as other comparable aircraft. High speed stall means pulling high G's at any speed and the lower wing moving slower stalls first and flicks the plane into a vicious spin, normally requiring several thousand feet for a low wing aircraft to recover.

The G version of the BF109 is my favorite of all 109's. It just looks right.


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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: Rule303]
      #308551 - 01/12/17 08:56 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Donuts/Pretzels!

Thanks for sharing NitroX.

What an era for aircraft, (and other) related design!

Iirc, the 109 had an inverted V12 engine, and it used fuel injection, as opposed to carburetors on the Merlin/Allison engine.


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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: Homer]
      #308577 - 02/12/17 03:12 AM

With regard to the nickname "Assi", the German word for "ace" is "As". "Assi" would be a diminutive of "As". Hahn ("cock" in German) was an ace many times over.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: xausa]
      #308597 - 02/12/17 12:55 PM

my dads friend hans flew 109 he had 8 kills bailed out twice. which he said didint even put him on the map with the others but did shoot down a p38 camera plane which he said was his best achievement. also said the the polish planes were easy to hit but hard to shoot down.he said you would just keep shooting and they would finally go down. flew for luftansa after the war.i'm sure he's passed on now.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: xausa]
      #308630 - 03/12/17 03:53 PM

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With regard to the nickname "Assi", the German word for "ace" is "As". "Assi" would be a diminutive of "As".




Wikipedia claims "Assi" is a form of Hans, Hansi, Assi.

Your explanation makes more sense.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: NitroX]
      #308633 - 03/12/17 04:18 PM

Thanks for posting, I've been a plane freak since I was a little boy. Interesting that for the restoration of this grand warbird, the swastika on the tail was only partially applied. You can't erase history, though many these days are trying to do so.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: 416rigby]
      #308649 - 04/12/17 10:42 AM

OK, so the Me-109 had fuel injection, but the Spitfire and Hurricanes had superchargers and ran on 99 octane fuel with lots of tetra-ethyl lead in it. All the German planes used 88 octane fuel, and this was crucial.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: HistoricBore]
      #308652 - 04/12/17 03:15 PM

Fuel injection was an advantage because the 109 could enter a dive quicker than a Spit because the Spit had to first roll inverted due to carburetors. The 109 could just push over because negative G didnt affect the engine becasue it was injected.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: 416rigby]
      #308655 - 04/12/17 08:11 PM

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Fuel injection was an advantage because the 109 could enter a dive quicker than a Spit because the Spit had to first roll inverted due to carburetors. The 109 could just push over because negative G didnt affect the engine becasue it was injected.




yep, took the poms a little while to catch up. Though a woman at RR (I think) came up with a washer that went into the carby to allow the Spits to do the same until they got the injection going. The Germans were further in front than most with technology in the 30's and early 40's.


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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: Rule303]
      #308656 - 04/12/17 08:31 PM

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Fuel injection was an advantage




The Germans were further in front than most with technology in the 30's and early 40's.




Here's part of the reason why Deutsche warplanes were so advanced even though most powered aircraft development and production had been denied them by the Treaty of Versailles. (click link below)... ;
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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: Rule303]
      #308657 - 04/12/17 09:12 PM

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The Germans were further in front than most with technology in the 30's and early 40's.




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And some from Mercedes:


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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: 416rigby]
      #308659 - 05/12/17 01:08 AM

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Thanks for posting, I've been a plane freak since I was a little boy. Interesting that for the restoration of this grand warbird, the swastika on the tail was only partially applied. You can't erase history, though many these days are trying to do so.




Yes the PC bullshit that is going on in the world FUBAR. What about the Hindu's and Buddhists that use that symbol? What if we offend them? We are seeing more and more name changing and denial of history to sanitise it and make it more palatable for these idiots. Trying to remove statues etc, it's bullshit! Anyway the plane had a swastika originally, get over it instead of quaking with self righteous rage


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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: Viking338]
      #308666 - 05/12/17 02:33 AM

It is still illegal in France (but not Britain) to display a Swastika.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: HistoricBore]
      #308668 - 05/12/17 05:12 AM

The ME 109 also had a supercharged engine as well as water-methanol injection which reduced detonation and allowed for a short term power increase, being switched on as required.

Daimler Benz engine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_601



Water-methanol injection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkPFZWd8wj4


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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: HistoricBore]
      #308801 - 08/12/17 08:49 AM

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It is still illegal in France, to display a Swastika.




I'd say at a rough guess, this is probably the same in Germany.

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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: Homer]
      #308806 - 08/12/17 02:47 PM

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It is still illegal in France, to display a Swastika.




I'd say at a rough guess, this is probably the same in Germany.

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Yes I get on base level that as a society we could say we don't want that, but are we now so precious we are offended if something is in a museum and is painted historically correct?
It reminds me of the story about the debate on Guy Gibson's dog when they were thinking of doing a remake of the Dam Busters movie. They argued over calling his dog Nigger and wanted it to be Blackie in the movie. Now it would have made no real difference to most people or even the gist of the movie but that is not the point to me. May be I am just to old and a dinosaur in this age off people being perpetually offended as I don't care about this sort of thing but I do like to be factually correct if drawing or writing about something, especially history!


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Re: While on 'sporting equipment' a ME109G-6 [Re: Viking338]
      #308808 - 08/12/17 06:23 PM

Viking338, I totally agree with what you say mate.

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