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Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64
      #308152 - 23/11/17 05:23 AM

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=6706640

Your opinion !

I don't know a model of MS in this caliber , may be a custom MCA model of the late sixteen ?

Edited by grandveneur (23/11/17 05:25 AM)


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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: grandveneur]
      #308153 - 23/11/17 06:08 AM

don't know if its real













he dont makes pics showing the receiver, maybe for a reason. the rifle itself looks excellent and I can imagine that Steyr was building this on special order.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: lancaster]
      #308156 - 23/11/17 06:37 AM

I have sent some mails to the seller and i asked him if it was a original rifle or a modified rifle.

Only one answer : i am not familiar with this kind of rifle's !

Edited by grandveneur (23/11/17 06:38 AM)


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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: grandveneur]
      #308158 - 23/11/17 06:46 AM

could be true or could be a way to keep this case in suspence because he want to make a good deal.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: grandveneur]
      #308160 - 23/11/17 07:02 AM

It never ceases to amaze me why the 9.3x64 isn't so popular? It is as good as the 375H&H but in a smaller package & predating Ruger's 375 idea by some 80 years!
If this is a genuine MS then it certainly will be a rare bird, but they were made!
Will need to look at Table 1
http://www.mannlicher.org/aboutmannlichers
Hope it works out for you grandveneur
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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #308162 - 23/11/17 07:33 AM

Thank's for the link.

Unfortunately there is no cartridge 9,3x64 in the listing.


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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: grandveneur]
      #308183 - 23/11/17 03:49 PM

in the end ... if it shoots straigth and you buy the gun "and not the story" I see up to 1500 euro as a reasonable price for this but this is anyones personal valuation.
and there is "not the story" because the seller don't try to sell it as a super rare original.
tree days to go and only 300 euro till now.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: lancaster]
      #308193 - 23/11/17 09:40 PM

Quote:

in the end ... if it shoots straigth and you buy the gun "and not the story" I see up to 1500 euro as a reasonable price for this but this is anyones personal valuation.
and there is "not the story" because the seller don't try to sell it as a super rare original.
tree days to go and only 300 euro till now.




Unless there is something major wrong with it, if it stays similar to that price, and doesn't get late interest or the owner run it up, will be an incredible buy. Good luck.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: lancaster]
      #308194 - 23/11/17 09:40 PM

Looks extremely nice and in probably the best Sambar cartridge ever made. I would be happy yo own it.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: NitroX]
      #308211 - 24/11/17 06:09 AM

Quote:

Quote:

in the end ... if it shoots straigth and you buy the gun "and not the story" I see up to 1500 euro as a reasonable price for this but this is anyones personal valuation.
and there is "not the story" because the seller don't try to sell it as a super rare original.
tree days to go and only 300 euro till now.




Unless there is something major wrong with it, if it stays similar to that price, and doesn't get late interest or the owner run it up, will be an incredible buy. Good luck.




in my experience the last 5 minutes are the most important after weeks before. the time before the last five is only for give so many people as possible the chance to see your auction.
the fight will be decide on the home stretch.

would be a wonder for me if such a gun will sell under 1000 euro in the end.


there are a few point to consider if you want to sell

your auction have to end on a sunday between 6 and 8 pm! and it does "26.11.2017 19:45:00 MEZ"
only because most people have time then to watch the end of your auction.

you need good pics!

never sell in holiday times - sommer- and in the time after summer! people are not there to buy or penniless because of the holidays before.

the very best time to sell is before Christmas like NOW - one month to go!
people have money again and are willing to pay more than usual because it would be a christmas present "for himself"!

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: grandveneur]
      #308213 - 24/11/17 07:27 AM

Quote:

Thank's for the link.

Unfortunately there is no cartridge 9,3x64 in the listing.




Yes there is mate!
The page I have give you go to Paragraph 4 & click on Table 1 it will open up with an XL spreadsheet - if you don't have it on your computer I have copied it down here!
All I could find for you grandveneur - it was in their Magnum model 1900-1970.
Well worth a try I reckon!


Mannlicher-Schoenauer Steyr-Mannlicher (1968-1996) Pre-Schoenauer
(1900-1970) and/or post 1996
6.5x54mm M-S       (M1900, M1903, all Post WWII models) 5.6x50mm Magnum (S-M) 6.5x53mm Rimmed(M1892-93-95)
6.5x55mm Mauser (NO/Post WWII) .222 Remington   (S-M) .375 Rimmed
6.5x57mm Mauser (Post WWII) .222 Rem Magnum (S-M) .376 Steyr
6.5x68mm RWS    (Magnum) .223 Remington     (S-M) .450 Marlin
7x57mm Mauser    (M1925 & subsequent) (Many NON-Original Steyr production exist) .22-250 Remington (S-M, M72)
7x64mm Brenneke (M1925 & subsequent) 5.6x57mm RWS (S-M, M72)
8x56mm M-S         (M1908) .243 WCF (S-M, M72)
8x57mm Mauser    (M1925 & Subsequent) 6mm Remington (S-M, M72)
8x60mm S Mauser (M1925 & Sub.) 6x62mm Freres
8x68mm RWS        (Magnum) .25-06 Remington
9x56mm M-S         (M1905) .257 Weatherby Magnum
9.3x62mm Mauser (M1925 & Subsequent) 6.5x54mm M-S (SBS-96 only)
9.3x64mm Brenneke   (Magnum) 6.5x55mm Mauser
9.5x56mm M-S      (M1910) 6.5x57mm Mauser
10.75x68mm Mauser (M1925) 6.5x64mm RWS
.243 Winchester (MC and MCA) 6.5x68mm RWS
.244 Remington   (MC and NO) .264 Winchester Magnum
.257 Roberts        (M1950-MC) .270 Winchester
.257 Weatherby Magnum (Magnum) 7x57mm Mauser (S-M, M72)
.264 Winchester Magnum (Magnum) 7x64mm Brenneke
.270 Winchester (all Post WWII) 7mm Remington Magnum
.280 Remington (MC and MCA) .308 Winchester
.308 Winchester (M1952 and Subs) .30-06 US
.30-06 US (M1924 & Subsequent) .300 H&H Magnum
.338 Winchester Magnum (Magnum) .300 Winchester Magnum
.358 Winchester (MC and MCA) .308 Norma Magnum
.458 Winchester Magnum (Magnum) 7.5x55mm Swiss
8x57mm JS Mauser
8x68mm RWS
.338 Winchester Magnum
9.3x62mm Mauser
9.3x64mm Brenneke
.375 H&H Magnum
.458 Winchester Magnum

"References:
Albrecht-Kind (Akah) catalogue, 1965
Stoeger’s “Shooter’s Bible” 1939, 1950 – 1970"


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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #308214 - 24/11/17 08:45 AM

Thanks for the list !

The problem remains , which model caliber 9,3x64 ?


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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: grandveneur]
      #308217 - 24/11/17 10:48 AM

The 9.3x64 was never offered from factory in a Mannlicher Schoenauer under normal production. The latter made guns with the plastic removable magazine such as Model M and L etc. were. Several of the cartridges listed above were only offered in those later guns such as 375 H&H and 376 Steyr. If the gun in question is really a 9.3x64 than it was either a special order made by Steyr or a custom conversion. The fact that Mannlicher Schoenauer's had an action body and a rotary follower made specifically to suit the cartridge being used indicates that it is probably a conversion as Steyr would most likely not have made a new special action for a one off.

Kuduae will probably be able to shed more light on the matter.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #308265 - 25/11/17 03:26 AM

I saw a photo of the bolt-head. That is a model GK and the new caliber 9,3x64 is engraved over the original caliber designation. It's impossible to read the old caliber.

That is for sure a conversion.


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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: grandveneur]
      #308278 - 25/11/17 09:51 AM

They possibly used a 30-06 action and opened it up to suit the slightly bigger case diameter of the 9.3x64 and altered the follower to suit, although you may be able to use a follower from an 8x68S model as the shoulder position is similar. If done correctly and everything works as it should and providing the cases don't rattle in the magazine, then it would be a good purchase IMO.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #308329 - 26/11/17 11:29 PM

Quote:

They possibly used a 30-06 action and opened it up to suit the slightly bigger case diameter of the 9.3x64 and altered the follower to suit, although you may be able to use a follower from an 8x68S model as the shoulder position is similar. If done correctly and everything works as it should and providing the cases don't rattle in the magazine, then it would be a good purchase IMO.

Waidmannsheil.




While a different rifle, the Mauser M03 bolt head and magazine for the 8x68S also lists the 9.3x64 as compatible.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: NitroX]
      #308345 - 27/11/17 06:13 AM

The rifle ended up selling for 793 Euro, so someone got a nice gun for a good price.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #308351 - 27/11/17 08:19 AM

Sell for two or three times that here.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: NitroX]
      #308365 - 27/11/17 03:25 PM

yes, very surprising it end so low

probably because people don't know what it realy was

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: lancaster]
      #346751 - 12/11/20 06:40 AM

I bought an original Mannlicher-Schoenauer Mod.GK Rifle caliber 9,3x64 and that is an original one. No doubt.

As before, nobody knows when this rifles were built. A request to the Steyr Werke did not help either.

I'll try to take pictures.


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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: grandveneur]
      #346753 - 12/11/20 09:27 AM

Hello,

The pictures of an original one. Along with the 10,75x68, the rarest of all M-Sch.

Courtesy of HWL, the owner, from another forum...

"Some experts say, it does not even exist,.... and here it comes....

The Mannlicher-Schoenauer MCA in 9,3x64!

Proof marks from Proof House of Vienna 1968, metal parts like new, some minor dents in the stock."







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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #346774 - 12/11/20 11:00 PM

Grandveneur, you certainly have a rare bird there!
I bet you can't wait to get it into the field & try her out.
Will you be handloading or just using factory ammunition?

Dotchicco did a great article on the 9.3x64mm, give him a bell if you decide to reload.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post340120

PatagonHunter, you have lucky mate as well indeed, many thanks for posting those photos!
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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #346777 - 12/11/20 11:37 PM

Hi PatagonHunter, I have only just seen your PM. Answered it.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: NitroX]
      #346809 - 13/11/20 03:47 PM

pictures will be very interesting, original or reworked would be a question for endless threads but if it shoots straight you did fine

wonder what bullet works in the magazin? maybe RWS softpoints

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer caliber 9,3x64 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #346811 - 13/11/20 07:25 PM

Quote:

Grandveneur, you certainly have a rare bird there!
I bet you can't wait to get it into the field & try her out.
Will you be handloading or just using factory ammunition?

Dotchicco did a great article on the 9.3x64mm, give him a bell if you decide to reload.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post340120

PatagonHunter, you have lucky mate as well indeed, many thanks for posting those photos!
Kind regards





It is an original model from Steyr, no doubt about it. It is a rarity , although in the meantime we are at least two who have one. We have also had contact with each other. The number 64 is even engraved on the magazine follower and there are no cartridge feeding problems either.

The question remains when and how many were produced.

As far as the cartridge 9,3x64 Brenneke is concerned , I have used this cartridge for almost 20 years and shot many game with it. Normally I reload my cartridges , but in this case because of the accurate shooting in my rifle from back then I only used the factory load with 19g TUG bullets from RWS. In Europe we have to use lead-free bullets more and more often , so that I have nowadays to use or load something in this direction for my MS rifle caliber 9,3x64. In Africa for plain game I will not have this problem.

Edited by grandveneur (13/11/20 07:27 PM)


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