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3DogMike
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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 93x64mm]
#301433 - 06/06/17 05:54 AM

Hello Barry,
(BTW: Reply to your PM sent)
"......How goes the loading?...."

Well, not very quickly as I have (stupidly on my part) been at the mercy of RCBS and their handling of my order for a shellholder to fit the Bertram .577/.500 No.2 brass. (The shellholder was out of stock)
My only comments would be:
1) it has been since 3 March that I ordered a shellholder and posted a brass case to RCBS for testing the fit. Five phone calls and 3 MONTHS later the RCBS staff claim that they are posting said shellholder this week....oooops!
2) RCBS might have a great warranty.....but it just is not the company that it used to be. "Vista Outdoor", the holding company/owner, should be ashamed.
Fred Huntington would be apoplectic at the "customer service" these days.

I've been a loyal RCBS/Huntingtons customer for 40 years.......I think my loyalty has been tested enough and it is time to switch to CH-4D or Redding.

RANT ENDED....

At any rate I have loaded and shot 10 fresh Betrram .577/.500 No.2, 4 loaded with black powder, greased felt wad, and 340 grain PP as well as 6 NfB with 54 grains H4198, foam backer rod, and a 440 grain PP.
Only was able to shoot offhand at 30 yards but all shots stayed in a 6" circle.
Expect more info once I actually receive a shellholder........ :-((
- Mike

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Huvius
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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 3DogMike]
#301468 - 07/06/17 02:30 AM

Hope it comes soon for you.
Another option is to cut a wider groove in a standard 577 shell holder. If you can get one of those...

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: Huvius]
#302196 - 22/06/17 02:00 PM

The shellholder saga.......RCBS.......not so "precisioneered" as is their years old Fred Huntington RCBS motto.

Being as a .577NE is larger both in rim diameter and base diameter compared to the .577/.500 No.2, I asked RCBS to make me a proper shell holder to fit since they were "out if stock".
That was last March 2017

Below photos show the half assed excresence that was delivered to me yesterday; a .577NE shellholder that had simply had the rim thickness milled up to .060". Overall fit is, as you can see, miserably loose.
I have today sent this POS back to RCBS; there has been no reply to my email and no return of my phone message. They are woefully inadequate at responding to their customers in a timely fashion.

As noted in prior posts, I have (had) been a happy RCBS/Huntington customer for better than 40 years. The "Vista Outdoor" conglomerate ought to be ashamed. RCBS must be satisfied to be selling to retail outlets like Cabelas and getting no feedback?

I am sceptically awaiting the further delays in my reloading efforts.
- Mike

BTW: I even sent RCBS 4 sample fired Bertram .577/.500 No.2 cases to use in getting things correct.....what a goat rope.

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 3DogMike]
#302210 - 22/06/17 09:32 PM

The RCBS products of old used to be good but not anymore. Everything they make needs re-machining and or modifying to make it work properly. Their shell holders are also out of parallel by up to 0.010" across 1/2". They don't respond to emails at all. I use Redding Competition Shell Holders, very well made and priced, and dead parallel.

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#302261 - 23/06/17 04:59 AM

try to use the .577Snider shellholder. Works for my .577/500magnum.

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: rigbymauser]
#302264 - 23/06/17 05:59 AM

Quote:

try to use the .577Snider shellholder. Works for my .577/500magnum.

The .577/.500 3 1/8" Magnum is yet another base and rim dimension; slightly smaller than .577NE and larger than .500 No.2, hence still the same problem with .500 No.2 in a Snider shellholder.

The nominal dimensions of the .577 Snider base and rim diameter are the same as .577NE with the Snider having a .065" thick rim while the .577NE has a .055" thick rim. The .577/.500 Magnum would be less sloppy fit by some thousands.

A "proper" shellholder for the .500 No.2 is a one of a kind beast.........pity that RCBS used to be known for "proper" and boasted "precisioneered" as opposed to "yep, close enough for the average rube".
- Mike

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#302266 - 23/06/17 07:01 AM

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: DarylS]
#302268 - 23/06/17 07:55 AM

What part of the case prep are you held up at?
I've halfassed my way through loading lots of stuf even to the point of setting a case on top of a shell holder for sizing and then tapping the case out with a dowel.
Seating dies don't tend to hold the case so you could probably adjust the seat die up and seat with the case sitting on top of a shell holder too.
Priming is the problem without the proper shell holder.

I have a bunch of sized, primed and flared cases I could swap you or send me your brass and bullets and I can load them up for you.

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: Huvius]
#302361 - 25/06/17 11:54 PM

Brink your needs to a local machinist, you may be surprised at who quickly your problems may go away

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: zephyr]
#302581 - 01/07/17 05:56 AM

Zephyr:
Good thought. However my "local" machinist is 35 miles away and quoted an outrageous price.....hard to get good work done for a fair price.

I actually got a personal phone one Steve Koch with RCBS and the fellow was very apologetic, he said he has been at RCBS for 39 years, is going to personally take care of my issue within a couple of weeks. Apparently the toad/wanker/plod that had been assigned the project has, as they say, "left to pursue other interests". The staff found orders dating back to 2013 (!!!!!) that the guy had ignored/buried. Indicates to me a serious lack of management/supervisory capacity.

We shall see.
- Mike

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 3DogMike]
#307904 - 18/11/17 09:59 AM

How's the loading going for your 500 No2 3DM?
I have kept your loads safely tucked away for a rainy day.

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 93x64mm]
#307913 - 18/11/17 02:58 PM

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How's the loading going for your 500 No2 3DM?
I have kept your loads safely tucked away for a rainy day.

I guess an update is due:
Despite Mr. Steve Koch at RCBS being a very nice and polite guy the final word is that RCBS will no longer do any custom die work to a customers “unusual” chamber.........so I did not get any die to my chamber. Sad, they were a great company once upon a time. Fred Huntington is spinning in his grave.

At least I was able to get a proper .577/.500 No2 shell holder after much wasted phone time, etc. and I FINALLY got my fired cases returned. RCBS customer service is, as they say, “a cluster FLOP”

Due to work and home life I have not been able to do much of importance with the .500 No2 in quite a long time......
- Mike

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 3DogMike]
#307928 - 18/11/17 11:06 PM

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. . .

Despite Mr. Steve Koch at RCBS being a very nice and polite guy the final word is that RCBS will no longer do any custom die work to a customers “unusual” chamber.........so I did not get any die to my chamber. Sad, they were a great company once upon a time. Fred Huntington is spinning in his grave.

. . .

I am truly distressed to read these comments. Bummer!

I am told that Hornady has a custom die service. I haven't used them, but it might be worth a try.

CH4D is also an option.

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: CptCurl]
#307939 - 19/11/17 04:57 AM

Just contact Dave at CH4D.

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: Wayne59]
#308594 - 02/12/17 11:56 AM

CH4D for me! I called them about a set of dies for a 9.3x82r Nimrod. I had them in hand 4 days later...ya can't beat that service.

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: kkeller]
#308598 - 02/12/17 01:40 PM

Here is the short version of a longer story to my above posts:
Got a set of “standard” CH4D 577/500 No2 dies with the rifle, no shell holder.

The “standard” dies are likely dimensioned to the circa 1900 Kynoch drawings and excessively resize the cases (too much shoulder setback and case body resizing, not uncommon because there was no standardization in 1870’s-1880’s Black Powder Express dimensions. Just does not work too well to go “partial resizing” with the 577/500 No2 cases.

Needed to get a shellholder, and for obsolete BPE cases that often require basic cases I wanted to get a file type trim die to the fired cases.
You can follow the story as to RCBS..........what a shame.

As is I at least have a shellholder.....can you spell goat rope?

I did ask RCBS originally because over 40 years I had found that the “old RCBS” dies could not be equalled in dimension, interior polish, and finish. They far exceeded CH, Hornady, and Redding production or custom dies.
Well, so much for that.....goodbye RCBS.

Will try CH4D for a custom trim die from my fired cases, I hope that their quality equals the old RCBS and exceeds what I had found in late production CH4D products.
- Mike

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 3DogMike]
#308611 - 03/12/17 02:13 AM

Want to borrow mine?
I should have sent them with the forming set...

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