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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: szihn]
      #275928 - 01/01/16 06:27 PM

what a turmoil




well, its all about being able to calculate and knowledge is power. if having a rare and for this reason valuable military rifle I sell it for making maximum profit to the one who is paying the most.

for this I need knowledge before to calculate the value of the piece. used guns are a special branch of the antiques market but in the end its the same like new guns. a rifle coming from the house of a best gun maker for maybe 15000$ is only worth this because people are willing to pay this price.

I dont wish to change my own mosin rifle against anything of this because I HAVE work on this for years of my lifetime and nobody can pay me for this!

some rare mosin going today for more then 1000$ and it doesn't matter they are made in millions before or not. it will be wise to look what you have.
so if looking for a maximum profit before I get parts as cheap as possible for a project. for my Vergueiro sporter I bought a mismatched deaktivated rifle for 50 euro that nobody else want in an auction. dont need the drilled and welded barrel only want the action where all parts are polished by my hands than so dont care about the rest: mismatched, worn or rusty.
no licence fee for a rifle I buy to destroy it and than licence fee again for the new rifle when its build.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: szihn]
      #276031 - 03/01/16 07:54 PM

Quote:

To reply to
"As for 9.3x57 & szihn's comments...would you think about doing the same modifications to a pre-WW1 DWM Mauser?"

The answer is YES \If the rifle was in such poor condition that it had lost 90-95 percent of any collectors value before I ever got hold of it.
the Mosin in my post was in very poor condition. If it had been a US Westinghouse or a SIG, I would still have done the same work to it because I made a nice usable rifle that may last a another 100 years from one that was on its way to the trash bin.
I wish I had before an after pics, but I think even the most die-hard collector would agree I did it good if they could have seen what I started with.




I did the same. My .50 Alaskan was built off of a junk 1928 Tula ex-dragoon rifle that had a barrel like a sewer pipe, completely pitted. It came from a container of rifles that had come out of Romania, originally sent to Gheorghiu-Dej after WWII to be re-arsenaled & put in service, but abandoned and put in storage when they received the tooling to build the M44. I paid $100 USD for 3 rifles ($33/ea), each missing small items like handguards, barrel bands, or sight hoods. If it was in the shape of the author's rifle, I never would have considered it.


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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FinnCollector]
      #284937 - 07/07/16 08:02 PM

love thos old pics from africa

rifles captured by italian troops during the Second Italo-Ethiopian War - Mosin rifles






probably sold by surplusdealer after the great war to ethiopa

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #289613 - 30/10/16 07:00 PM

more Mannlicher Schönauer look alike Mosin rifles from hungary

https://vadaszapro.net/reszletek/263824/feg-gv-762x54r







and https://vadaszapro.net/reszletek/266648/feg-762x54r







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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #293837 - 15/01/17 06:47 AM

My ColorCase 45-70 Mosin Receiver
Whole Receiver

(Disclaimer: I'm new to forums so let me know if something doesn't work )


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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: ricksrifles2843]
      #293853 - 15/01/17 10:19 AM

So, you changed from round receiver to hex? Is this one a Ishevsk?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FinnCollector]
      #293886 - 16/01/17 03:07 AM

looking fine
I had the feeling the mosin steel is a little bit different than maybe the steel you have with a mauser 98. was seeing it react different on rust blueing than mauser parts.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #299960 - 03/05/17 06:05 AM

Quote:

more Mannlicher Schönauer look alike Mosin rifles from hungary

https://vadaszapro.net/reszletek/263824/feg-gv-762x54r










I really like that look!

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Grenadier]
      #299964 - 03/05/17 08:23 AM

Info is in the Big Bore Rifles section and that is where I will be posting load and performance data but I should have posted pictures
of this rifle here, too.


Rebarrelled to .405 Grenadier, a .411 wildcat based on the 7.62x54R case. The cartridges are loaded with, clockwise from left:
400gr Woodleigh, 350gr Swift A-Frame, 300gr Barnes TSX, a 7.62x54R cartridge for comparrison, and 350gr Hawk.






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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Grenadier]
      #299984 - 03/05/17 04:02 PM

What's the muzzle velocity with the 300gr Barnes?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FinnCollector]
      #300000 - 03/05/17 10:43 PM

These are some preliminary loads:

.405 Grenadier, Mosin Nagant, McGowen 25" barrel
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Hornady 300gr SP, 54.7gr AR-Comp, 2.67" COAL -- 2,201 fps / 3228 ft lb
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Barnes 300gr TSX, 53.1gr AR-Comp, 2.9" COAL -- 2,131 fps / 3026 ft lbs
Barnes 300gr TSX, 54.7gr AR-Comp, 2.9" COAL -- 2,202 fps / 3231 ft lbs
================================================================
Hawk 350gr RN, 51.8gr AR-Comp, 2.9" COAL -- 1,966 fps / 3004 ft lbs
Hawk 350gr RN, 53.8gr AR-Comp, 2.9" COAL -- 2,044 fps / 3247 ft lbs
================================================================
Woodleigh 400gr RN, 46.5gr AR-Comp, 2.8" COAL -- 1,805 fps / 2894 ft lbs
Woodleigh 400gr RN, 47.8gr AR-Comp, 2.8" COAL -- 1,868 fps / 3100 ft lbs
Woodleigh 400gr RN, 49.2gr AR-Comp, 2.8" COAL -- 1,938 fps / 3336 ft lbs
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Grenadier]
      #300020 - 04/05/17 03:11 AM

Very similar to .405 Winchester or .444 Marlin then. That's enough!

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FinnCollector]
      #306253 - 12/10/17 02:23 AM

a FEG /Budapest Mosin sporter in 7,62x54R,SN 64-287
three feet claw mount bases and shortended magazine, double set trigger and safety on the grip
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/repe...;currentpos=108







see more pics of the russian pre war Kochetova 8,2mm hunting rifle - NK -8,2 - with some informations: the rifle was designed by a D.M. Kochetov in the Tula arms factory in 1938 and was in production from 1939 to 1941 ( start of the war and end of all civil production), have a 3 rounds magazin











http://www.museum-arms.ru/collections/detail.php?ELEMENT_ID=5661

so this thing have a name now

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #317420 - 22/06/18 02:15 AM

is my thread from the stoneage still alive?

this pice from the finnish winter war 39/40 against the commies show an an old gentleman with a Mosin hunting rifle



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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #317425 - 22/06/18 05:33 AM

Hello Lancaster, the thread is alive as long as we old mosinistas can still find the keyboard!

Your picture raises a few questions, the stock looks like the post war stocks from TAP or Sako. The fixed rear sight also looks a lot like the TAP, whereas Sako favored a folding blade or the elusive drum rear sight. What does the original caption say?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #317427 - 22/06/18 05:51 AM

hello Bokmal

on solistice day let me first wishing you a great saint johns eve 2018!Hauska Juhannusta!

falls this years in the night from saturday to sunday, I hope you have enough to drink







this picture was in a lot of different winter war pics and get my attention immediately. possible it was wrong in this group!

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #317428 - 22/06/18 06:22 AM

Kiitos, my friend!

On Solstice I will dance around the fire with blond maidens wielding Mosins as always. Or at least claim I did, as always...

Sako started making civilian sporters on the Mosin action as early as 1942, I think Deutsche Vortrekker posted pics of these earlier. The early Sako sporter stock had a very longish fore grip, the later post war models had the Schnabel like feature in the pic. That is why I was curious.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #317429 - 22/06/18 09:47 AM


Lanc: What is the purpose of that blob of wood on the forestock?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: 9.3x57]
      #317430 - 22/06/18 11:30 AM

In the late 70's my uncle had gone to a auction at a farm. He went to the car to bring what he got at the auction for $3. It was a Mosin Nagant in the worst condition you ever saw. It had been used as a pipe to hold the barn door shut and the barrel horribly rusted for the first 10". I cut the barrel off to legal length here in the colonies. The rifling was nearly gone but I cleaned it up and shot it some, but no glory in the accuracy. Sold about 20 years ago. The moral of the story is a old Mosin can only go upward after being a barn door holder. I am in awe what can be done with a Mosin.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #317445 - 22/06/18 10:43 PM

"Lanc: What is the purpose of that blob of wood on the forestock?"

I believe you meaning this one?



this is realy strange! the only explanation I have is this was made for reason - maybe for laying the rifle on a special place on a dog sledge or similar. if it fits ecaxly the "blob" and the stock on the other end probably hold the rifle in place so it can't move back and forth but can be easy taken when in need on a sledge patrol.

the only idea I have

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Edited by lancaster (22/06/18 10:43 PM)


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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #317446 - 22/06/18 10:58 PM

Yes, that's the blob!

Your explanation seems as logical as anything else. It appear it might have a hole drilled thru it? If so I wonder if a tie-down of some sort might have been used.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: 9.3x57]
      #317451 - 23/06/18 01:33 AM

Tie-down, or spring clamp, may due to the picture angles and distance?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Daryl_S]
      #317452 - 23/06/18 02:21 AM

Maybe this page tells something: http://www.museum-arms.ru/collections/detail.php?ELEMENT_ID=5661

Quote:

What is the purpose of that blob of wood on the forestock?



Maybe something similar like this tibetan rifle:



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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #317453 - 23/06/18 04:20 AM

the point is this "blob" is rounded and not a hook like the mediavel Arcebuse = Hakenbüchse = hook rifle




had to deal with the recoil

the MPi 40 had this hook for the same reason, btw



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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #317456 - 23/06/18 04:58 AM

I don't think so, lanc.

Too rounded.

A conundrum!!

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