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500grains
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Manton .470 NE
#30353 - 01/05/05 01:28 PM

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976579376.htm

US$10K

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500Nitro
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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: 500grains]
#30360 - 01/05/05 04:55 PM

There we have it - a using 470 under $10k

Except for the dealer selling it, a good, useable double !!!

At least he mentions bore erosion - I wouldn't expect to see a 470 of that age
and usage (looking at the wear) without bore erosion.

It looks like an old / early gun - has anyone seen it ?

Any other comments ?

500 Nitro

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Marrakai
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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: 500Nitro]
#30565 - 05/05/05 03:50 PM

Mate, I'm trying to get a look at it, but the Thadster appears to have photographed it in the depths of an abandoned mineshaft during a solar eclipse! Dunno why he would do that unless hiding something. If you want to sell a gun on the internet, a good photo is crucial. That one's crap!! Can't help but suspect the gun may be too!

Still, all shots well inside the 9-ring at 60 yards is certainly a useable .470! ...even if it needs a bit of TLC!

FWIW, my Manton .470 was made by John Wilkes. Those in the know will appreciate what this means: its a ripper!
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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: Marrakai]
#30575 - 05/05/05 06:59 PM

Searcy 470
I'd look at this rifle! A Searcy 470 for 8.5K.
YOu could also probably find a new Merkel for about the same price.

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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: Rusty]
#30584 - 05/05/05 10:45 PM

Merkels in 470 are too light.

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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: bonanza]
#30589 - 05/05/05 11:12 PM

Bonanza,

Could you expand on your comment that
"Merkels in 470 are too light."

I am not sure I agree depending on which angle you are coming from.

I know of quite a few "Lighter" English made Doubles in 470 Nitro.

If you are talking about Felt Recoil, mine is fine. I have shot alot worse
old English 470's.

Look forward to your reply.

500 Nitro

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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: Marrakai]
#30601 - 06/05/05 01:22 AM

That is fantastic shooting! I am wondering about the point of impact though. Is it high, and did you manage to adjust it?

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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: 500Nitro]
#30609 - 06/05/05 02:49 AM

500Grains,

Perhaps I should have said. "My Personal opinion is" that Merkel 470's are too light. I have a .375 Merkel that is 9.5 lbs and is a joy to shoot. I have a 11.5 lbs Chapuis 470 that is OK to shoot. I have a friend with a 10 lbs 470 Merkel that hurts like hell to shoot.

It goes to the old argument that one should shoot (if possible) a big bore before buying one.

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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: bonanza]
#30613 - 06/05/05 04:54 AM

500 Grains,

I totally agree about shooting a Big Bore before buying.

Didn't some Merkel 470's come with a Hog back stock ?
Mine has a straight stock which makes a big difference.

Bonanza.

Re th target and POI, I use the top or Bottom of the Black
as the aiming point. I put a White sticker at the 6 and 12
which alows me to get 2 groups on the one target, PLUS I find
it alot easier to get the same sight picture all of the time.

I find it is not as easy to hold a consistent sight picture
in the centre of the black 8" circle.

500 Nitro

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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: bonanza]
#30614 - 06/05/05 05:22 AM

Bonanza,

I haven't shot the Merkel .470, but I have a Merkel .500NE that I have shot several hundred times over the past year.

My .500 weighs 10 lbs. 3 oz. I initially thought it was on the light side, but as I shot it I began to appreciate its balance and ease of carry. Ultimately I came to the conclusion that I like the weight quite a lot. It's a bitch off the bench, but at 11 or 11 1/2 lbs. it still would be a bitch off the bench. Offhand it's a peach and doesn't hurt a bit. I haven't hunted with it yet, but I know for a fact I would rather carry it at just shy of 10 1/4 lbs than to carry one at 11 1/2 lbs. The pain of the all-day carry would be much worse to me than the little bit harder shove when pulling the trigger. That's a tradeoff, and I think Merkel got it right.

Just my opinion. I know that others may disagree. That's why they make DR's in so many varieties.

On the other hand, the CSMC Rigby SLE .470 being discussed on another thread, this one, at 9 lbs 4 oz. whould probably be quite a thumper! There's a point where the trade-off between portability and shootability goes the other way.

Best regards,
Curl

P.S. I'm not casting off on your Chapuis .470. It's a fine rifle, I'm sure.

Curl

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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: Marrakai]
#30622 - 06/05/05 09:53 AM

Marrakai,
That is a nice buff, and a nice rifle, what a great shooter. Just have a taller front bead fitted. There is a formula in the Brownells catalog that will tell you how much taller the sight must be.

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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: NE450No2]
#30651 - 06/05/05 10:07 PM

Gents:
At this stage, I am living with the front sight as is, but the day will come when I muff a fast running shot in a tight corner, and I will be forced to fit a taller bead.

I haven't seen the Brownells' formula, but its pretty simple triangulation math, many of my past acquisitions have required sight alterations, including a favourite 1903 Mannlicher Schoenauer carbine.

If I may be permitted to 'borrow' this thread for a sec, I am curious as to how many other double rifles, vintage Brit or modern, are sighted-in for the very top of the bead. All my other doubles are sighted for the centre of the bead, which I much prefer, though I recall mention of the former sight-picture on a previous NE thread.
Any comments?

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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: Marrakai]
#30690 - 07/05/05 07:36 AM

Marrakai
Something else you might try.
When shooting at 50 yards 89 grains of RL 15 shot a little bit better in my 450 No2 than 88 gr. However at 100 yards 89 grains hit a little too low. I tried 88 grains and VOILA the bullets hit to the sights. The slightly longer barrel time raised the point of impact. A slight increase in powder, if there are no pressure signs, might make you hit lower on the target. Of course the opposite could also ne true, each rifle is a law into itself.

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Re: Manton .470 NE [Re: Marrakai]
#30759 - 09/05/05 01:32 AM

In reply to:

If I may be permitted to 'borrow' this thread for a sec, I am curious as to how many other double rifles, vintage Brit or modern, are sighted-in for the very top of the bead. All my other doubles are sighted for the centre of the bead, which I much prefer, though I recall mention of the former sight-picture on a previous NE thread.
Any comments?

Marrakai

As you well know, my Jeffrey with the current load is shooting at least six inches high at 50 yards. The rifle 'regulates' well enough like this in terms of the left and right barrel. Very similar to your Manton.

Haven't tried other loads (different powder) but have to do some catch-up this week.

The bead also needs 'replacing' as there isn't one.

I don't know the intentions of how the original makers setup up the sights to shoot though.

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