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Remington
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338 Win Mag
      #304641 - 31/08/17 10:06 PM

Hello I have a Remington 700 in the cartridge 338 WM and I would like to know that you think the tip Winchester PP in 200 grains for the boar and what bullet would you use to hunt at a distance greater than 200 meters. In general you look like the 338 Winchester Magnum.

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304644 - 31/08/17 11:28 PM

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Hello I have a Remington 700 in the cartridge 338 WM and I would like to know that you think the tip Winchester PP in 200 grains for the boar and what bullet would you use to hunt at a distance greater than 200 meters. In general you look like the 338 Winchester Magnum.

Thank you

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I have had a 338 Win Mag however the only 338 I have currently is a 338 Ultra-Mag---which I use occasionally on elk here in my home state of Montana..in that rifle I am using Swift-A-Frames..

For elk and anything else I point it at, the bullet/caliber combination works fantastic...if I was hunting wild boar, that is still the bullet I would use..as they hold together amazingly well, typically with 90% retention or more...I have used that bullet almost exclusively in Africa and for elk here in the U.S.

Have not used Winchester PP bullets for a very long time..so can not give you an honest assessment on those for boar or anything else.. the last time I used them was out of a 300W Mag on whitetail deer..worked well but again, long time ago and very different animal than boar..

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Ripp]
      #304649 - 01/09/17 01:23 AM

Thanks for your reply. I know that the PP tip has been on the market for many years, I am also aware that the 338 WM cartridge is not the most suitable for hunting in Spain and that with a 30-06 would have been convenient armed. But I read that the 338WM is a great cartridge and I bought the rifle. By the way, how about the Remington 700? I rely more on passive ejector rifles because I did not find another rifle in my area at 338 WM. Thanks again.

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304650 - 01/09/17 01:38 AM

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Thanks for your reply. I know that the PP tip has been on the market for many years, I am also aware that the 338 WM cartridge is not the most suitable for hunting in Spain and that with a 30-06 would have been convenient armed. But I read that the 338WM is a great cartridge and I bought the rifle. By the way, how about the Remington 700? I rely more on passive ejector rifles because I did not find another rifle in my area at 338 WM. Thanks again.

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I own or have owned dozens of Remington 700's in my lifetime..probably still have at least a dozen or so in various calibers in my safe now.. the 416 Remington I have is a model 700 out of Remington's custom shop from the late 80's ..typically they shoot very well ...many of the custom rifle makers there in the USA use the Remington action and upgrade them ..truing the action, changing the trigger, etc.. from what I have read and have been told by gunsmiths I am friends with, the basic design of the Remington action lends itself to make for a accurate rifle..especially when the action is blue printed and other work done on them.. I have several that have had no work and shoot under 1" with factory ammo..have a select few that shoot half that as well, again with factory ammo..

You do NOT need a controlled round feed like those you would see in a Winchester or others for hunting wild boar..as I said, I have used my .416 in Africa hunting lion, cape buffalo, hippo, elephant, etc with no problems and it is NOT a controlled round feed.. I do have controlled round feed rifles, it just that I personally like the feel of the Remington better so that is what I use..

Personally feel Remingtons quality has slipped through the years however..but that is just my opinion..so, have not purchased a new Remington for several years now..if/when I buy a factory rifle have been buying Sako, Kimber, etc...

AS to caliber, think the .338 is a bit large for boar..but still should work great on them.. I would keep using it...

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Ripp]
      #304655 - 01/09/17 06:20 AM

Thank you Mr. Ripp, knowing that you have used a Remington 700 for dangerous hunting, I am more relaxed. As for the cartridge, I have had no fortune for the moment in the few hunts I have attended. I am mostly shotgun hunter and my pieces are rabbits, pigeons, hares, and partridges. Sometimes I'm invited to some wild boar hunt and then I can take the rifle out to the field. Again very grateful for your attention.

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304656 - 01/09/17 06:57 AM

Happy to help..

REMEMBER, those are my own personal feelings/thoughts..others will feel differently and have different experiences..some good some not so good..

Merely expressing my experiences..

Again, thanks for joining...

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Ripp]
      #304673 - 02/09/17 01:25 AM

Hi I have read that the 338 Winchester Magnum is suitable for hunting large distances large animals. What do you think is the maximum distance to which this cartridge is effective ?, my rifle has 24 "of cannon and I do not know if it will burn all the gunpowder that contains this cartridge.Thanks again,

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304679 - 02/09/17 06:35 AM

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Hi I have read that the 338 Winchester Magnum is suitable for hunting large distances large animals. What do you think is the maximum distance to which this cartridge is effective ?, my rifle has 24 "of cannon and I do not know if it will burn all the gunpowder that contains this cartridge.Thanks again,

Remington.




As far as you are capable of accurately shooting..

Military snipers have been using the 300 Win Mag for years and shooting to and over 1000 yds..

For a 338Win mag you are fine with a 24" barrel..a 26" barrel might give you an addl 50-75fps more I am guessing--with an Weatherby or Ultra-Mag you would need a 26" barrel and a 28 would be even better...

A lot of people where I live use this caliber for elk and moose..it really is a very good caliber for those animals..

So practice, practice, practice...

Best of luck to you..

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Ripp]
      #304704 - 02/09/17 04:03 PM

Thanks Ripp, I agree with you. The practice is everything, because it allows a wide knowledge of weapon and cartridge also the choice of a suitable tip will give us success in the hunt.

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304707 - 02/09/17 05:14 PM

I wouldn't mind a .338 win mag some day. Probably a stainless Ruger with the plastic stock.

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304710 - 02/09/17 11:43 PM

It'll kill as far away as you can hit with it. The trajectory is such that 400 yds is probably the outer limit for hitting. I have a Griffin & Howe Model 70 in .338 and the guy who commissioned it had the drop at 200, 300, 400, and 500 yds engraved on the floorplate. For 200, 300, and 400 it lists the drop in inches beneath the yardage. Under 500, it says simply "no":) i guess the figures were based on the 225 grain factory load.

Anyway, if you're shooting at the critters this cartridge was made for, you'll probably be a lot closer than 400 yards.


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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: mckinney]
      #304723 - 03/09/17 10:19 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Remington, I have owned a new Rem 700 in .338 Win Mag, since Remington first made the M700 in this chambering. I'm very happy with most aspects of this combination.
The .338 Win Mag is a great cartridge, and any factory ammo you can purchase, will be effective on any size Boar you can find, as long as you put the bullet in the chest cavity of the animal.

As to How Far you can shoot animals with it.
I always look at the fact that the difference in the Muzzle Velocity between the .338 Win Mag (@ 2700 fps), and the .338 Lapua Mag (@ 3000 fps) both with 250 grn bullets, is only 300 fps in my rifles.
So given this and the fact that some people shoot game animals at extreme distances with the Lapua Mag......., the Win Mag is only 300 fps behind the Lapua Mag.
Can I please suggest, that you do need to have a rifle that is capable of extremely good accuracy and also be capable of shooting extremely well your self, before you ever attempt shooting at any animal at long distance!


I have never fired factory ammo thru my various .338's (.338-06, .338 Win Mag, .340 Weatherby and .338 Lapua Mag), but only ever reloaded my own ammo for them.
In the case of the .338 Win Mag, I have only ever loaded up 200grn bullets at 3000 fps, and 250 grn at 2700fps.

Hope that helps

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Homer]
      #304729 - 03/09/17 05:02 PM

Try the barnes 185 TTSX , these worked well in my win 70 338. Cheers Mick

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: 264]
      #304748 - 04/09/17 07:34 AM

Thank you very much to all. All your comments are helpful. The subject of shooting at a great distance is mere curiosity. I mostly scoop smaller pieces with shotgun and rifle use little. I only have a 3-9x40 viewfinder so it does not allow me to shoot very far.

A greeting to all and spend good week,

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304749 - 04/09/17 07:38 AM

Abusing your kindness and generosity, what complementary cartridge to the 338 Win Mag? Although I think this cartridge goes well for everything in Spain and more.

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304754 - 04/09/17 01:39 PM

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Thank you very much to all. All your comments are helpful. The subject of shooting at a great distance is mere curiosity. I mostly scoop smaller pieces with shotgun and rifle use little. I only have a 3-9x40 viewfinder so it does not allow me to shoot very far.

A greeting to all and spend good week,

Remington.




The 3-9 rifle scope gives you plenty of magnification for range. On 9 power it will make something at 900 meters look like it is at 100 meters. The limiting factor is the quality of the lenses and their alignment. So for shooting to 300mts you have plenty of magnification.


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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Rule303]
      #304758 - 04/09/17 02:03 PM

A straight 4X was all we used for years for all our big game hunting rifles, from 7mm's to .375's. I ran a 2X on my .458 American.

I shot the heads off 34 grouse one fall with that rifle while out moose hunting. For grouse, I was using 230gr. Speer .452" pistol bullets and 18gr. of AL8 powder. Those undersized bullets slugged up and hit right on the lower post of the reticle at 25 yards, which is the range most grouse are shot at, around here. They ran 1,350fps and would make 3" groups at 100 yards, with care, would easily kill deer and black bears out to that range as they were about the same power (little more, actually) as full powered loads in my 4" .44 Mag.

Today, the 4X Lyman All American Perma Center that I have mounted on my .30/06 is all the scope that will be hunting with me this fall.

165gr. SST at 2,945fps will certainly handle my elk and whitetail deer out to 400yards, as well as a moose if I happen across a young one. The 180gr. SST's at 2,755fps strike only 1" lower at 100 meters.

I full expect to not have to shoot past 100yards, on any of them, except perhaps the deer.

A 3-9x40 is more scope magnification than needed for ANY .338Win. Mag.

A more powerful scope will not help you to kill animals at extended ranges (you should not be shooting them at - imho).

Practice with what you have at ranges to 300ayrds, then practice some more from hunting positions - prone, kneeling, sitting and standing - all with AND without resting on objects, like trees, fences, bushes, etc.

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304770 - 04/09/17 03:15 PM

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Thank you very much to all. All your comments are helpful. The subject of shooting at a great distance is mere curiosity. I mostly scoop smaller pieces with shotgun and rifle use little. I only have a 3-9x40 viewfinder so it does not allow me to shoot very far.





The largest scope I have is only to the 10x and the upper end of a variable. Most of my scopes are fixed or variable, with the upper power magnification being 4x, 6x, 8x, 9x or as mentioned 10x.

A 4x scope does everything that is needed on a hunting big game rifle. A 6x adds a bit more.

The modern trend of needing a 16x or a 32x is just because more scopes are made affordable nowadays in such variable.

As for hunting "long distance", do some shooting at say 300 and 400 metres. 400 metres is a long long way away. See how consistently you can hit a 30 cm circle at 400 metres.

If hunting serious big and medium game, anything over 300 metres is a long shot.

A .338 Win Mag is a versatile cartridge to shoot. 225 and 250 gr projectiles for bigger animals. And perhaps some 180 to 200 gr projectiles if you feel the need for lighter bullets for smaller animals.

I would be happy to hunt water buffalo with a .338 using good 250 or 300 gr projectiles.

The cartridge is a one world capable cartridge.

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Homer]
      #304771 - 04/09/17 03:20 PM

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As to How Far you can shoot animals with it.
I always look at the fact that the difference in the Muzzle Velocity between the .338 Win Mag (@ 2700 fps), and the .338 Lapua Mag (@ 3000 fps) both with 250 grn bullets, is only 300 fps in my rifles.




Quite amazing that minor difference.

A .338 Win Mag is a medium length cartridge that does not require a magnum length action. Never heard anything serious about its recoil and blast.

The .338 Lapua is a longer magnum length action. Lots of stories about recoil and muzzle blast. And how it is the most effective long range cartridge in existence ...

Yet all that difference for a 300 fps velocity difference ???

IU know which I would prefer anyday. Bluster vs Effectiveness.

Interesting I have never known the .338 Win Mag as a long range cartridge, more a medium range medium bore effective cartridge. While the .338 Lapua has the opposite reputation.

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304772 - 04/09/17 03:37 PM

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Abusing your kindness and generosity, what complementary cartridge to the 338 Win Mag? Although I think this cartridge goes well for everything in Spain and more.

Thanks

Remington.




As companion pieces, you might consider the .243 Winchester and the .458 Win, both introduced in the 1950's like the .338 and both very popular today - especially the .243. That would keep you on the winchester theme and in the same period. The .270 Win and .308 Win are also very fine cartridges, although the .270 is a bit older. Jack O'Connor said that if he could have only two rifles, one would be a .270 and the other a .375. A .270 paired with a .338 would be just about the same thing.


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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: DarylS]
      #304773 - 04/09/17 03:42 PM

Thanks for your advice. In the end it comes down to practicing a lot. Really for me to hunt is to get as close as possible to the animal to shoot down and give it a quick death. But sometimes by the terrain orography the approach is impossible and you have to make quite distant shots. And there enters the know weapon, cartridge, viewfinder and much practice. Thank you and Happy Monday.

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304882 - 06/09/17 03:47 PM

In my .338W I found 200gn Speer a bit too hard for pigs great for bigger stuff! I like the 200gn factory Winchester PP & the 180gn/200gn Noslers the best for big pigs.

Favourite all round bullet is the 225gn Woodleigh at 2800fps.


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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: coll416]
      #304918 - 07/09/17 01:22 PM

Thank you very much for your answer, that bullet weight (200 grains) seems to me appropriate for the boars that are in Spain that are not very big. And the Winchester Power Point also seems very suitable for being a soft bullet and has proved its effectiveness for many years despite not being a "premium" bullet. By the way how would work on the 338 Winchester Magnum the Reminton Core Lock?

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: mckinney]
      #304919 - 07/09/17 01:30 PM

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Quote:

Abusing your kindness and generosity, what complementary cartridge to the 338 Win Mag? Although I think this cartridge goes well for everything in Spain and more.

Thanks

Remington.




As companion pieces, you might consider the .243 Winchester and the .458 Win, both introduced in the 1950's like the .338 and both very popular today - especially the .243. That would keep you on the winchester theme and in the same period. The .270 Win and .308 Win are also very fine cartridges, although the .270 is a bit older. Jack O'Connor said that if he could have only two rifles, one would be a .270 and the other a .375. A .270 paired with a .338 would be just about the same thing.




Thank you, the 270 Winchester is a superb cartridge that I really like. Maybe one day my wife let me buy one lol.

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Re: 338 Win Mag [Re: Remington]
      #304930 - 07/09/17 06:03 PM

Remington, are you restricted in Spain to the number of rifles/firearms you can own?

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